Why do White Supremacists use the word Aryan?

[Kane]

http://aryan-nations.org/

Not only are White Supremacists idiots but they are damn rude. I found this site one day and I decided to peak in not knowing that it was a white supremacists (well I had a feeling it was). When I decided to debate with these guys on the forum they have (http://aryan-nations.org/forum/), about the true definition of Aryan man they were rude. Yet they kept coming back to the statement that Aryan means "the perfect white man" when in actuality most Aryans in the world are not white at all. People from India and Iran make up the majority population of the Aryans in the world, are not usually considered "white".

I even gave them Aryan definition dictionary.com and Word IQ encyclopedia;

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Aryan

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Aryan

They still didn't listen. They instead just deleted my posts, typical Nazis.

I kept debating with them this time about the definition of "white race". Since it is a White Supremacists Organization I asked why they are against Jews and Slavic people. I mean most Jews and Slavish are white so shouldn't they be welcomed in the group as well? They yet further deleted my posts and paid no attention anymore.

Are these White Supremacists on crack or are all White Supremacists just PLAIN IDIOTS! No offense to any white people, this is directed to White Supremacists not white people.

Thoughts?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

I vote "Idiots". You can't argue with them, their minds (what there is of them) are made up. Don't confuse them with facts.

 

[GAB]

Hi,

The Aryan Brotherhood, or rather the AB's. Are one rough and ruthless group.

Part of the white supremacist groups that are really tied together.

I would not push their buttons to much...

Best go pick on someone else.

Regards, Gary

 

[Baytor]

I think that they associate "Aryan" with germanic and nordic heritage. They often use nordic runes as symbols nowdays. The jerks keep taking cool symbols and twisting them.
The anti defamation leauge has a pretty good list of various hate groups if anyone wants to do research on them.
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/default.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America

The Southern Poverty Law Center also tracks hate groups in America.

 

[Bester]

So, we're going to ban Germany now too?
Or Runes? Man that'll piss off the pagans.
I pause to await the arrival of one of our learned experts in bannable and hated symbols to arrive and spill his knowledge unto us. :barf:

 

[Simon Curran]

Well for what it's worth, I live in a Nordic country, and not everyone here is pale skinned, blonde haired and blue eyed.

I for one am black haired, brown eyed, and with a slightly latin looking complection... (pigmentation is funny like that)

 

[rmcrobertson]

Sigh. Please show us where anybody called for banning anything, or even so much as suggested banning.

Please explain why it's terribly unreasonable to check up, from time to time, on the various nut groups--including the Nazis.

These symbols, by the way, a) aren't that cool; b) are--like all such symbols--really just more-or-less necessary toys.

 

[TonyM.]

They're idiots that are too mocus to realize their ancesters came from india.

 

[Darksoul]

-Not quite understanding the last post, could you explain what you wrote? Just curious. And if we think about the typical Nazis, remember the swastika symbol they used, or are still using in some cases? That was a symbol of, I think some old sun god, or perhaps something in Egyptian mythology. In other words, something taken from somewhere else, and used/changed to fit the nefarious schemes/lifestyles. Effin' losers. I hate racist people.


A---)

 

[Sapper6]

you can't compromise with those people. by going to their forums and challenging their word usage, you might as well just go to their house and piss in their living room. these of all people are not one's known to compromise and come to terms with.

 

[bignick]

The swastika is a Buhddist symbol and it can still be seen in places like the taekwondo form Ilyeo, where the shape of the pattern forms a swastika...

 

[MA-Caver]

Why do White Supremacists use the word Aryan?

Well, umm, lemme think... wait don't tell me... umm... :idea: They're arseholes!

As a rule I don't associate freely with these guys. A couple of my friends "converted" and I don't hang out with them anymore. Mainly because they moved into the realm of "dangerous individuals". These guys are so screwed up that if even talking positively about any race except white they'll "mark-you" and find a reason for beating the crap out of you.
They're so screwed up and so concieted. It's sad. IQ points drop when they start shaving their heads and wear engineering boots. No better than the Klan all they actually do is show the worse side of caucasians/whites. Ah, but wait... look at THIS definition ...

Caucasians 1. Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to brown skin pigmentation and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples indigenous to Europe, northern Africa, western Asia, and India. No longer in scientific use. See Usage Note at race1.
2. Of or relating to the Caucasus region or its peoples, languages, or cultures.
3. Of or relating to a group of three language families spoken in the region of the Caucasus mountains, including Chechen, Abkhaz, and the Kartvelian languages.

I'm of Irish/Norwegian descent... that's about as white as you can get in a lot of places. But I still dont' see myself as genetically, racially, intelliectually, superior than someone from Kenya, Cambodia, Israel, or anywhere else for that matter. It's sooo stupid to have that mentality that it's unreal. Sigh.

It's all :bs:

 

[Kane]

Many believe that the swastika was first used by Vedic people back in the Aryan invasion. It was also used a lot by Hindus but it seems to have appeared in many cultures including in Buddhism as Bignick said.

I bet those White Supremacists think that it is some symbol made by Germanic Aryans. They really need to read a history book.

 

[Darksoul]

-I wonder who brought the symbol into play during the rise of the Nazi party? Was it Hitler? I seem to recall him having an obsession with mythical/mystical things...

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[bignick]

The Nazi swastika is a mirror image of the Buhhdist symbol I believe.

Swastika
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The swastika is an ancient symbol.

The swastika is a cross with its arms 90° to either right or left. It is usually oriented horizontally or at a 45° angle. Its Indian form typically features a dot in each quadrant (as shown in the figure to the right).

The word swastika is derived from the Sanskrit स्वस्ितक, svastika, meaning any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. It is composed of su- (cognate with Greek ευ-), meaning "good, well" and asti a verbal abstract to the root as "to be"; svasti thus means "well-being". The suffix -ka forms a diminutive, and svastika might thus be translated literally as "little thing associated with well-being", corresponding roughly to "lucky charm". The word first appears in the Classical Sanskrit (in the Ramayana and Mahabharata epes).

The swastika appears in art and design throughout human history, symbolising many different things — luck, Surya (the sun), Brahma, or the Hindu concept of samsara. In antiquity, the swastika was used freely by Sumerians, Hittites, Celts and Greeks, among others. It also occurs in other Asian, European, and Native American cultures – sometimes as a simple geometrical motif, sometimes as a religious symbol. The pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon ship burial at Sutton Hoo, England, contains gold cups and shields bearing swastikas. Today, the swastika today is used primarily as a religious symbol by Hindus, but it also appears in Buddhism and Jainism.

The almost universally positive meanings of the swastika were subverted in the early twentieth century when it was adopted as the emblem of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Since World War II, most Westerners see it as solely a fascist symbol, leading to incorrect assumptions about its pre-Nazi use and its current use in other cultures.

 

[Bester]

Sigh. Please show us where anybody called for banning anything, or even so much as suggested banning.

You.
Repeatedly.
In Various Threads.

Please explain why it's terribly unreasonable to check up, from time to time, on the various nut groups--including the Nazis.

Why? That was not my argument.

These symbols, by the way, a) aren't that cool; b) are--like all such symbols--really just more-or-less necessary toys.

These symbols are often:
A) Misused religious symbols
B) Misused nationalistic symbols
C) Mean something other than what various hate groups think.

 

[rmcrobertson]

No actual examples, eh? Just hallucinations?

Sorry, but without reiterating an extended previous discussion, it isn't accurate to believe that words mean whatever we wish them to mean. They have histories; they have material existences in actual cultures. Regrettably, some words and images have meanings that we cannot erase or ignore.

Wagner's music, for example, carries a certain charge of Nazism and anti-semitism--not simply because good old Adolf said it did, but because Wagner's own statements and history and reception said it did, and does.

To forget this genuinely is to erase the reality of history and of culture--which we pointy-head scholarly types avoid at all costs.

One repeats: you have no examples of my asking for bans on anything--though, just today, there is an example of my telling another poster, "enough with the anti-Semitic remarks."

 

[kenpo tiger]

No actual examples, eh? Just hallucinations?

Sorry, but without reiterating an extended previous discussion, it isn't accurate to believe that words mean whatever we wish them to mean. They have histories; they have material existences in actual cultures. Regrettably, some words and images have meanings that we cannot erase or ignore.

Wagner's music, for example, carries a certain charge of Nazism and anti-semitism--not simply because good old Adolf said it did, but because Wagner's own statements and history and reception said it did, and does.

To forget this genuinely is to erase the reality of history and of culture--which we pointy-head scholarly types avoid at all costs.

One repeats: you have no examples of my asking for bans on anything--though, just today, there is an example of my telling another poster, "enough with the anti-Semitic remarks."

And yet people listen to Wagner on a regular basis (or so I'm told - he's a bit heavy-handed for me) because of the beauty of his music and many have no idea what his political agenda was. I suppose *one* could make the same argument for continued use of symbols which some people connect with evil. Does*one* rule out listening to beautiful music, reading tracts poisonous to many minds at one time, or having items with symbols of hate in their lives?

I did find the thread and pertinent posts to which you refer above. Too bad that people need to resort to hurling epithets at a perceived enemy. Many thanks to you, HHJH, Bester, and the others who spoke up and willingly stepped into the fray. :asian:

 

[Bester]

No actual examples, eh? Just hallucinations?

Sigh.
Any thread revolving around religious symbols, racial relations, or related where you added your opinion to the mix will readily show what I am saying.
Your continued endorsement of the elimination of confederate history, your continued misbelief there is no bias against white-males in hiring practices (despite the 1st hand experiences of many here), your ignorance of 3,000 years history over 1 symbol misused by a 1 balled lunatic, and so on, and so on. Your own pompous opinionated words in a dozen plus threads here damn you sir. I simply do not have time to dig, quote, cross reference and otherwise play your little games. Some of us, have lives outside of the Internet.

Sorry, but without reiterating an extended previous discussion, it isn't accurate to believe that words mean whatever we wish them to mean. They have histories; they have material existences in actual cultures. Regrettably, some words and images have meanings that we cannot erase or ignore.

Don't ignore. Repair. You argued in another thread that 1 flag will always mean racism, while another with a longer history of racism doesn't. You choose what to believe and not believe there. Others, some of those much more experienced than you, disagree. Just because they haven't been published in the "New England Journal of Official History", with a DNA drip on file does not mean they are any less right, than you or I.

Wagner's music, for example, carries a certain charge of Nazism and anti-semitism--not simply because good old Adolf said it did, but because Wagner's own statements and history and reception said it did, and does.

So, should it be banned, or can we listen to it and enjoy it for what it is, music? I often enjoy certain Soviet Army marches, because they have a pleasing sound to me. Doesn't mean I'm going to go tatoo a bird splat on my head and scream for Glastnost.

To forget this genuinely is to erase the reality of history and of culture--which we pointy-head scholarly types avoid at all costs.

Neither I nor anyone else here to my knowledge has ever said "FORGET". For all the gods sake man, 12 Million+ dead at the Nazis hands, 20+ million at Stalins hands, and the list goes on. I have friends who lost family, 1 has the scars from those damninable camps still. I never want that memory forgotten, lest we fall too easily into that evil again.

One repeats: you have no examples of my asking for bans on anything--though, just today, there is an example of my telling another poster, "enough with the anti-Semitic remarks."

I saw that, and agree with you there.
I do however disagree. You did ask for bans of symbols. Maybe not directly, but by your aproval of those who would tear down monuments, blast figures off mountains, or otherwise bury half of the past, to prop up the history of the victor. You once declared the swastika uncleansable, that it should be abandoned. That the blood of a decade of hell should also obliterate 3 millenia of positive meaning.

A symbol can mean many things to many people. You have no control over what it means individually, and to some symbols once tainted, can not ever be washed clear of the blood spilt.

There is a difference between the flag the klan waves, and the flag that flys over our capital.
The capital flag is bigger.
They are otherwise identical in appearence, yet, they mean different things.

"Not-Da-One", You may wish to check this link for that argument though.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/klan-flag.html

Regarding the dumbasses originally posted about, it's really simple.
They think that if they say it often enough, it will be true.
That somehow, they can make "Aryan" = blond hair, blue eyed nazi wetdreams, rather than what it real means. I have yet to meet anyone who truely believes their crap that has any real intelegence. Too often, they are simply stupid. The type that will keep touching the stove, and not quite understand "Hot".

 

[Blind]

I have yet to meet anyone who truely believes their crap that has any real intelegence. Too often, they are simply stupid. The type that will keep touching the stove, and not quite understand "Hot".

As far as things go in the states on this issue I am not really qualified to comment I havn't spent enough time there, but in general the above would appear to be very true in regard to people who believe that their skin colour somehow makes them better.