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[Touch Of Death]

Cronkite was just able to hide his partisan reporting because there wasn't anything else on the air. He was one of the last of the lucky old media who got out well before Rush, and Fox news allowed the other side to get their point of view across. If he was around today, with actual competition, he would have been in the same place as the other media. For example, Rush and Hannity, and Beck would have pointed out that the Tet offensive was a disaster for North Vietnam, not a loss for the U.S.

Except for all the people that died. And if memory seves it was the Viet Kong and not the Viet Nhim that pulled it off; so, I would hardly call it a disaster for the Noth.
Sean

 

[billc]

From Thomas Sowel's book, Intellectuals and Society from the chapter on war:

"...Moreover, many in the media depicted what happened as defeat for the United States, when in fact the Communist guerilla movement was decimated in the fighting and was never the same again.11" (Source, Peter Braestrup, "Big Story: How the American Press and Television Reported and interpreted the Crisis of Tet 1968 in Vietnam and Washington(Garden City New YOrk:Anchor Books, 1978 pp. 49-54)

"Communist leaders themselves ,after taking over south vietnam, openly admitted in later years that they had lost militarily in their war with American troops in Vietnam, including during their Tet offensive, but pointed out that they had won politically in America."



From Me, I use the above to point out that Walter Cronkite was the face of the people who did not tell the truth, or to give him the benfit of the doubt that he himself did not know the truth, about the real outcome of Tet. His influence encouraged the North and helped drive LBJ from seeking another term. All based on the false reporting that Tet was our disaster and not theirs.

 

[shesulsa]

Tet was everyone's disaster. What are you smoking?

 

[billc]

It was our disaster because of guys like Cronkite. The communists were devestated militarily by Tet, and yet, because of the american media and the political turmoil in America, they continued to fight. It isn't me saying this, read what the North vietnamese generals say.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Cronkite was just able to hide his partisan reporting because there wasn't anything else on the air. He was one of the last of the lucky old media who got out well before Rush, and Fox news allowed the other side to get their point of view across. If he was around today, with actual competition, he would have been in the same place as the other media. For example, Rush and Hannity, and Beck would have pointed out that the Tet offensive was a disaster for North Vietnam, not a loss for the U.S.

Wrong!!!! How old are you anyway....

But I will waste no time trying to convince you

Believe what you will.... but integrity is gone in the media and the people you listed are a big part of it no longer being there as is every other reporter out there on TV today REGARDLESS of party affiliation

It was our disaster because of guys like Cronkite. The communists were devestated militarily by Tet, and yet, because of the american media and the political turmoil in America, they continued to fight. It isn't me saying this, read what the North vietnamese generals say.

Wrong again, you prove time and time again you know nothing about history and in general little about reality... but thanks for the entertainment

 

[crushing]

Cronkite was just able to hide his partisan reporting because there wasn't anything else on the air. He was one of the last of the lucky old media who got out well before Rush, and Fox news allowed the other side to get their point of view across. If he was around today, with actual competition, he would have been in the same place as the other media. For example, Rush and Hannity, and Beck would have pointed out that the Tet offensive was a disaster for North Vietnam, not a loss for the U.S.

So which side was the partisan Cronkite on? His editorial following the Tet Offensive dealt a blow to the LBJ administration's execution of the war. Supposedly after Cronkite's comment LBJ said, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."

I wouldn't have taken you to be a big fan of LBJ.

 

[billc]

General Giap: "Tet was designed to influence American Public opinion." As for the results of the Tet Offensive: "Our losses were staggering and a complete surprise." Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for re-election." Militarily, however, "Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968." 16 (Stanley Karnow,"Giap Remembers," New YOrk Times Magazine,June 24 1990, p. 36.)

 

[shesulsa]

Do you really have zero understanding of how communists - especially Asian communists - work? Even if they lose they claim victory. They will pull out all the stops to gain some kind of ally in the weakest of minds.

The people of that nation, when given the gift of getting their sight back from surgeons who go and donate their expertise, time and surgical supplies (what their very own government won't give them) are so subservient and brainwashed they praise their great general for giving them the opportunity for their sight back.

No thanks for the doctors.

Any victory will be claimed over everyone. I'd be surprised if the generals didn't claim victory over Chilean coffee farmers for making them produce coffee for them every damn day.

Victory over the ants in the ground for doing their bidding.

Seriously.

 

[billc]

Thomas sowell, "Intellectuals and Society."

CBS anchor man Walter Cronkite said, "we are mired in stalemate"20 and, while this was a less dire conclusion than some others, the size of Cronkite's audience and the fact that he had been shown in a poll to be the most trusted person in America, gave great weight to his conclusion that the war was militarily unwinnable. Aides to President Johnson later said that the Cronkite broadcast had convinced the president that he was losing the public support necessary to carry on the war to a military victory. A month later, Lyndon Johnson announced that he would not seek re-election and that he was seeking negotiations with North Vietnam."

Thomas Sowell:

As we now know, the North Vietnamese Communist leaders in Hanoi had virtually the same military evaluation of the Tet Offensive as American leaders in Washington-NAMELY, THAT IT WAS AN OVERWHELMING DEFEAT FOR THE COMMUNIST GUERILLAS.(capitalized for emphasis, not for shouting)

 

[shesulsa]

Seems like we've gotten off topic, eh?

 

[billc]

Fan of the country, actually, and Cronkite undermined the truth of the Tet offensive and who knows what other little things he did on the air that hurt the country. That is why I think he is a jerk. He had no other voices competing with his, so the damage he did wasn't countered by anyone the way it is today by Rush, Beck, Hannity, Fox news and the internet.

 

[elder999]

Do you really have zero understanding of how communists - especially Asian communists - work? .

Sure he does. It's the same as those Nazi communists and Fascist communists, and left-wing white-supremacists do.......:lfao: :lfao: :lfao:

 

[billc]

Perhaps just an eensy weensy tiny bit. But now, for something completely different...

 

[shesulsa]

Fan of the country, actually, and Cronkite undermined the truth of the Tet offensive and who knows what other little things he did on the air that hurt the country. That is why I think he is a jerk. He had no other voices competing with his, so the damage he did wasn't countered by anyone the way it is today by Rush, Beck, Hannity, Fox news and the internet.

You do realize that Rush's tagline used to be "Your news, digested," ... riiiight?

You do understand what food turns into when it's digested ... riiiight?

 

[billc]

Actually, we just rely on him to tell us what to think. It makes life a lot easier that way. By the way, would you care to take home a Rush Pod. The care instructions are easy, just place it under or next to your bed tonight, before you go to sleep, and things will look differently in the morning.

 

[Ramirez]

From Thomas Sowel's book, Intellectuals and Society from the chapter on war:

"...Moreover, many in the media depicted what happened as defeat for the United States, when in fact the Communist guerilla movement was decimated in the fighting and was never the same again.11" (Source, Peter Braestrup, "Big Story: How the American Press and Television Reported and interpreted the Crisis of Tet 1968 in Vietnam and Washington(Garden City New YOrk:Anchor Books, 1978 pp. 49-54)

"Communist leaders themselves ,after taking over south vietnam, openly admitted in later years that they had lost militarily in their war with American troops in Vietnam, including during their Tet offensive, but pointed out that they had won politically in America."



From Me, I use the above to point out that Walter Cronkite was the face of the people who did not tell the truth, or to give him the benfit of the doubt that he himself did not know the truth, about the real outcome of Tet. His influence encouraged the North and helped drive LBJ from seeking another term. All based on the false reporting that Tet was our disaster and not theirs.

argument from authority again Bill?

 

[billc]

A last note on Walter Cronkite:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13068

From the article:

We found out after his retirement that he was not only a liberal, which was evident from his broadcasts, but a one-worlder. In appearances before the World Federalist Association, which favors world government financed by global taxes, he called for the U.S. to renounce “some of its sovereignty” and pass a series of United Nations treaties-many of which are now being pushed in the Senate by President Barack Obama. Cronkite called for an “international Liberty Bell.”

 

[billc]

One last, last article on Cronkite:

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/dgifford/2009/07/29/walters-krankeit/

From the article:

Only after retirement did Cronkite actually admit the liberal newsroom influences that are still denied today by those in them in addition to the personal beliefs his critics had said all along were skewing his reporting.

1996: “Everybody knows that there’s a liberal, that there’s a heavy liberal persuasion among correspondents,” Cronkite told those at a Radio and TV Correspondents Association dinner.
1999: During an awards ceremony at the United Nations, Cronkite admitted that “half a century ago” he was offered “a job as spokesman and Washington lobbyist for the World Federalist organization” that advocates a one-world government. “I chose instead to continue in the world of journalism.” Then he riffed: “[W]e must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government … We must change the basic structure of our global community to a new system governed by a democratic UN federation … Today the notion of unlimited national sovereignty means international anarchy. We must replace the anarchic law of force with a civilized force of law … [we must ratify the] “Treaty for a Permanent International Criminal Court” … [and we must have a] revision of the [U.S. power of] Veto in the Security Council. Cronkite then praised international billionaire financier George Soros as one of the best thinkers on this topic.
2004: On CNN’s Larry King show: “I have a feeling that [Osama bin Laden's newly released videotape] could tilt the [presidential] election a bit. In fact, I’m a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, that he probably set up bin Laden to this thing.”
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Karl Rove set-up Bin Laden?

"... but nobody else appears to be pointing out that Cronkite was actually a liberal ideologue; an advocate of a politically correct, totalitarian world government who used his trust to influence public policy in accordance with his own beliefs...
Cronkite was accused of political prejudice by Republicans and conservatives as soon as he became CBS’ big kahuna. The bias they claimed was not so much in the words he said, it was in the way he said those words in combination with his story selection, pictures and facial expressions following comments made by non-liberals.
The first time I really noticed Cronkite’s tricks was while watching his TV newscasts during the 1964 presidential campaign between Arizona’s Republican Senator Barry Goldwater and incumbent Texas Democratic President Lyndon Johnson. What most caught my attention was that Cronkite’s favoring of Johnson was different than the overt fawning over JFK four years earlier by Cronkite and the general news establishment. This was a subtle, sub-textual skewing which presented benign accurate facts about Goldwater in a way that demonized and marginalized him.

 

[elder999]

We found out after his retirement that he was not only a liberal, which was evident from his broadcasts, but a one-worlder. In appearances before the World Federalist Association, which favors world government financed by global taxes, he called for the U.S. to renounce “some of its sovereignty” and pass a series of United Nations treaties-many of which are now being pushed in the Senate by President Barack Obama. Cronkite called for an “international Liberty Bell.”

This is correct, and well established:

It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace. To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order. But the American colonies did it once and brought forth one of the most nearly perfect unions the world has ever seen."

Of course, while his idealism should be appealing to most of us, his ideal clearly is not.

Doesn't make him wrong about Viet Nam, though.....

 

[granfire]

Now get me get this....
billi is taking a comedian/actor over Kronkite in the news value department (big surprise, he gets his news from Rush and Beck...)

Then he puts the man down for putting his professional views before his private ideas.

(and just as an FYI, Dan Rather resigned, not because he was disappointed that the fake papers were not real, nor that they were 'his papers' but because he committed an unpardonable faux pas by not doing his due diligence of double checking the facts. Something Beck and Co don't bother to begin with.)