We are getting a new master

[Flying Crane]

I understand that everyone need a marketing angle, but come on!

There used to be a website, complete with discussion forum, about "Viking" martial arts. I don't know if it's still out there. It was clearly a parody, but I liked their marketing angle: the most extreme violence and brutality, all other arts are wussies next to them.

They would ridicule EVERYBODY who posted on their forum.

they were hilarious.

 

[epi-do]

Thanks for all of the comments so far! At least I am not totally off my rocker to be apprehensive about the changes that are about to come. I really don't like the idea of joining religion and TKD, so we will just have to see what happens.

I can tell you that this guy isn't the new owner. The new owners are a group of the black belts from the school. However, they are all 1st degree black belts, so they have approached this guy and asked him to visit the school to possibly form a relationship with him, and bring him into the school as the school's master. I am hoping that will help to keep the bible out of the dojang, but I am guessing that if this guy does agree to sign on as master that he is going to really want his curriculum taught.

And as for the camo belt, TwinFist, what can I say. I really don't like the idea of it. I guess I am going to be shopping around and seeing what else is out there and available while cautiously waiting to see what changes are in store for us. Nothing wrong with already having a Plan B in place.

 

[Flying Crane]

I can tell you that this guy isn't the new owner. The new owners are a group of the black belts from the school. However, they are all 1st degree black belts, so they have approached this guy and asked him to visit the school to possibly form a relationship with him, and bring him into the school as the school's master. I am hoping that will help to keep the bible out of the dojang, but I am guessing that if this guy does agree to sign on as master that he is going to really want his curriculum taught.

I find this very strange. Why would your people in Indiana, need to go all the way to Hawaii to find someone to give guidance and help further the training of the school members? Is there NOBODY in your area, say within a two hour drive, who wouldn't be a better connection? How much do your people think this guy from Hawaii is going to be available to even be there for you guys? What are his travel arrangements going to be, and who do you think is going to be paying for his travel expenses every time he comes by?

why did your original head instructor leave in the first place?

I imagine there is more to the story that perhaps we here are not privy to, but this is just weird. I don't get it.

get out now.

 

[troubleenuf]

Dang... how come I am only hearing about this now! Im fullblooded Norsky so I could jump right in (and a bit crazy so that should help)!!!

There used to be a website, complete with discussion forum, about "Viking" martial arts. I don't know if it's still out there. It was clearly a parody, but I liked their marketing angle: the most extreme violence and brutality, all other arts are wussies next to them.

They would ridicule EVERYBODY who posted on their forum.

they were hilarious.

 

[Flying Crane]

Dang... how come I am only hearing about this now! Im fullblooded Norsky so I could jump right in (and a bit crazy so that should help)!!!

It was some REALLLLY funny stuff. You might be able to find it if you do a google search for viking martial arts and extreme violence, or something like that. I just don't know if the site is still up yet. There was a link to it here in the forums a couple years ago, might be able to find it if you use the search function.

 

[ATC]

Not sure I would like this. Just check out the first video on the right hand side from this link http://www.christiantaekwondoassociation.com/multimedia.html

Should this not be taught in a church. Makes me wonder if this guy is not getting tax breaks and setup as a non-profit church to rake in the money.

Just does not look right to me.

 

[Flying Crane]

Not sure I would like this. Just check out the first video on the right hand side from this link http://www.christiantaekwondoassociation.com/multimedia.html

Should this not be taught in a church. Makes me wonder if this guy is not getting tax breaks and setup as a non-profit church to rake in the money.

Just does not look right to me.

HOLY HELL!! (no pun intended)

I can only think of one thing right now, a song by Pink Floyd: Run like hell!!

A big fat "NO THANKS" from me. I wouldn't give these people 1 minute of my time. Serious Creep Zone there.

 

[troubleenuf]

WOW.... that guy needs a kick in the mouth!

Not sure I would like this. Just check out the first video on the right hand side from this link http://www.christiantaekwondoassociation.com/multimedia.html

Should this not be taught in a church. Makes me wonder if this guy is not getting tax breaks and setup as a non-profit church to rake in the money.

Just does not look right to me.

 

[clfsean]

Not sure I would like this. Just check out the first video on the right hand side from this link http://www.christiantaekwondoassociation.com/multimedia.html

Should this not be taught in a church. Makes me wonder if this guy is not getting tax breaks and setup as a non-profit church to rake in the money.

Just does not look right to me.

Nope... uh huh... no way... no how...

I mean for Pete's sake, my MA has Buddha's name in Cantonese in it & there's 0% of Buddhism taught.

This guy strikes me as a wanna be evangelist using MA as his launch pad... no thanks.

 

[epi-do]

I find this very strange. Why would your people in Indiana, need to go all the way to Hawaii to find someone to give guidance and help further the training of the school members? Is there NOBODY in your area, say within a two hour drive, who wouldn't be a better connection? How much do your people think this guy from Hawaii is going to be available to even be there for you guys? What are his travel arrangements going to be, and who do you think is going to be paying for his travel expenses every time he comes by?

why did your original head instructor leave in the first place?

I imagine there is more to the story that perhaps we here are not privy to, but this is just weird. I don't get it.

get out now.

I have no idea why they have decided to go to someone in Hawaii. There are plenty of other Grandmasters/Masters within the area, including Grand Master Sung Jae Park, Master Garth Cooley (who was trained by Grandmaster Chul Koo Yoon), and Master James Theros. These were just the ones I found with a quick search. I am sure there are others as well.

I have my doubts that someone in Hawaii could really guide and influence a school in Indiana. However, it isn't my call and the school needs a new master. We will just have to wait and see what his visit to the school brings.

Our original instructor/owner sold the school for personal/family reasons. I do have additional details regarding his decission, but don't feel it is my place to put that info out on the internet for the world to see. I do understand why he felt he needed to make the decision he made, and most likely would have done the same, were I in his shoes. Unfortunately, circumstances outside his control intervened and made it impossible for him to continue with the school.

Is there more to the story than I am aware of? I am sure there is. I have overheard comments that financially the school isn't doing well at the moment and the new owners are hoping to turn things around. At this time they are saying they are going to give it six months and then reevaluate how things are going. Whatever else may be going on in the background may very well be playing into why they couldn't find someone local to step up and be willing to take on the school as master/grandmaster. I admit I have to agree that it does seem odd.

Well, back to my internet search of additional schools to visit in person and consider as a new home if things take a serious turn for the worse. I guess it is best to find myself in this situation early in my training, rather than later. At least going back in rank won't be that big of a deal since I don't have much to begin with. (And I may get the chance to learn a new approach to things, too!)

 

[Tez3]

http://www.vikingfighting.com/


ROFL

 

[NPTKD]

Not sure I would like this. Just check out the first video on the right hand side from this link http://www.christiantaekwondoassociation.com/multimedia.html

Should this not be taught in a church. Makes me wonder if this guy is not getting tax breaks and setup as a non-profit church to rake in the money.

Just does not look right to me.

WOW! I had better never hear that my classes arre boring!

 

[Flying Crane]

http://www.vikingfighting.com/


ROFL

a quote taken from the discussion forum:

"please the only thing the french can teach us is how to surrender as fast as possible i don't know if you've noticed or not but berzerker fighting arts are about winning and not just winning but killing maiming pillaging burning and raping in that order yes sometimes you rape the burnt but those are the facts of life anyway why dont you go eat some more frog legs and beat your crotch with a bagette?"

sorry, getting off topic, but this stuff is just waaaayy too funny.

 

[Tez3]

a quote taken from the discussion forum:

"please the only thing the french can teach us is how to surrender as fast as possible i don't know if you've noticed or not but berzerker fighting arts are about winning and not just winning but killing maiming pillaging burning and raping in that order yes sometimes you rape the burnt but those are the facts of life anyway why dont you go eat some more frog legs and beat your crotch with a bagette?"

sorry, getting off topic, but this stuff is just waaaayy too funny.

cool isn't it lol! I came across this site a while back but forgot about it until I read this. enjoying reading it all again!

 

[Frostbite]

If it was the only TKD school in town and you were totally committed to the art, I'd say you might gut it out for a while. But unless you're completely out in the sticks, it probably wouldn't be hard to find another TKD school that was more up your alley.

I actually left an FMA class because the instructor and I didn't see eye to eye. Which is to say he saw his gym as his pulpit/political forum. As a left leaning atheist, the half hour discussions about the Bible and how horrible gay people are finally got to me and I unceremoniously quit. Just bear in mind that you're spending your hard earned money for the pleasure to be there. So if it's not a pleasure, you probably shouldn't be there.

 

[Flying Crane]

If it was the only TKD school in town and you were totally committed to the art, I'd say you might gut it out for a while.

I understand your sentiment, but I know that I could not tolerate it even once. That's just me. Everyone needs to make their own decision about this issue. Apparently some people want it.

 

[Frostbite]

I understand your sentiment, but I know that I could not tolerate it even once. That's just me. Everyone needs to make their own decision about this issue. Apparently some people want it.

I totally agree. I'd be gone too. In my own case, it wasn't that way from the beginning. He was actually pretty respectful about other belief systems. I guess some things in his life changed where he felt the need to start proselytizing, which is when I left. I debated sticking around for a while because the schedule, class size, etc. were really appealing and good FMA instruction can be a little hard to come by. My need to learn FMAs was outweighed by my need to not be in that environment. Some people might feel the destination is worth the journey though.

 

[Flying Crane]

cool isn't it lol! I came across this site a while back but forgot about it until I read this. enjoying reading it all again!

Sorry, I know this is totally off topic, but I can't seem to help myself. Some segments taken from Sven S Svenson, inheritor of the horned helmet, grandmaster of Berzerker Viking Martial Arts...



"Everything we do is based on the old Viking saying that "it's better to stand and fight because if you run, you'll only die tired". "

"The BERZERKER™ mentality is to attack the attacker, kill the killer, mug the mugger, and rape the rapist – so to speak. "

"Improvised weapons are common objects that you use as weapons. Golf clubs, pencils, belts, coins, mobile phones, hats, bandanas, chains... You name it. If you knew what I could do to you with a frozen carrot, you'd be very afraid right now. "

"And we also do a lot of training in battlefield and raiding tactics... Have you never seen a riot or a gang of soccer hooligans at work? Have you never seen a fight between two gangs? And have you never wanted to bring your friends to beat someone up? Raiding tactics is all about beating people up together with your friends. Hmmm... Maybe that came out a little wrong. Hahaha... Well, you know what I mean!"

regarding UFC competitors: "Yes – by Thor! Those guys are just pretty boys in spandex hot pants... They don't know anything about real combat!! In the old days, the berzerkers used to rape guys like that just for fun... I'm joking, but what I really mean is – when was the last time you were attacked by someone dressed in hot pants, wearing leather gloves? And I'm not talking about your wife here! Hahaha... "

"My friend – the only reason the Filipino systems are alive today is because the Vikings never went to the Philippines in the old days. Otherwise they would've been extinct! Don't get me wrong, I've seen some very impressive Filipino stuff out there, but mostly it's just a lot of useless stick twirling! You know, just like those cheerleading girls... "

"Well, maybe tae kwon do... I like the fact that they’re training so hard to become losers. You know, training how to lose a fight as quickly as possible. That makes it much easier for me, if I ever have to fight one of those clowns. Hahaha... "

"The "Rape the Rapist" course is probably the best rape prevention course in the world today. At least I've never seen anything better. It's based on the BERZERKER™ concept to "attack the attacker" – hence the name – and, by Thor, it's pretty damned hardcore! I actually feel sorry for any rapist who'd experience the stuff we teach in this module! You know, we've included a lot of eye gouging, biting, finger breaking, fish hooking in this course. And a lot of improvised weapons too. You know, it's pretty damned difficult to rape someone when your nuts have just been skewered by a pencil... That's a pretty strong turn-off in my world – even for a Viking! Hahaha... People often say that "to teach knife defense, you must first know how to use a knife". It's the same with rape; to defeat the rapist, you must first learn to think and act like a rapist. And if you know anything about the Vikings you know that they did A LOT of raping and pillaging in the old days. This is, of course, not something we're proud of - but now we've been able to turn this into something good. So, any woman – or man, for that matter – who worries about getting raped, come to our seminars or buy our forthcoming DVD! You'll never be afraid of rape again. You can put that in your Viking pipe and smoke it! Hahaha... "


:rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[artFling]

I think a person can design his martial arts club however they want, within the boundaries of the law. If this man wants to preach and the students still want to come, hey, more power to him. Most people wouldn't be able to pull this off. But, when choosing a MA school, look at the MA. If the MA is good then having to listen to a short sermon every now and then is fine. But if you can't handle the Bible lesson, go elsewhere. How is his MA? Is he a good MA teacher? What kind of students is he producing? These are the kinds of questions to ask.

 

[epi-do]

Not sure I would like this. Just check out the first video on the right hand side from this link http://www.christiantaekwondoassociation.com/multimedia.html

Should this not be taught in a church. Makes me wonder if this guy is not getting tax breaks and setup as a non-profit church to rake in the money.

Just does not look right to me.

I actually said something similar to my husband after looking at the website. He was not impressed by that video at all. In fact, if I remember correctly, his exact response was, "Hell NO!!" We both feel that if we want to participate in a bible study, listen to a sermon, etc, we will go to church. We are attending the dojang to learn a MA. I am hoping that he will not "force" this part of his curriculum onto the school, but I guess we will have to wait and see what happens after his visit. He will be here the week of July 27.

I think a person can design his martial arts club however they want, within the boundaries of the law. If this man wants to preach and the students still want to come, hey, more power to him. Most people wouldn't be able to pull this off. But, when choosing a MA school, look at the MA. If the MA is good then having to listen to a short sermon every now and then is fine. But if you can't handle the Bible lesson, go elsewhere. How is his MA? Is he a good MA teacher? What kind of students is he producing? These are the kinds of questions to ask.

You are completely right - his school, his curriculum. Fortunately, I live on the southside of Indy and there are plenty of other MA schools around to choose from. We checked out a few different ones before we found this dojang, and I am sure we can find another one if things here take a turn we don't like.