Video of aikido techniques against full resistance

[Kung Fu Wang]

Taiji empties to neutralize. BJJ empties to submit.

I can understand how a BJJ guy may choke his opponent to death. I just can't understand how a Taiji guy may neutralize his opponent to death.

To pull your opponent in is the opposite of to push your opponent away.

 

[windwalker099]

I can understand how a BJJ guy may choke his opponent to death. I just can't understand how a Taiji guy may neutralize his opponent to death.

The teacher talks about neutralizing force

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

The teacher talks about neutralizing force

Don't see any "finish strategy" in your clip.

 

[Holmejr]

The teacher talks about neutralizing force

Is this before or after the cosmic muffin and dandelion tea?

 

[O'Malley]

It might be better to look at something similar that people can relate to...

In Taiji, we speak of the Transparent Body. Rickson Gracie speaks of Invisible Jiu-Jitsu.


In the Taiji line of Wang Yongquan, the transparent body is a body so empty, so free of resistance,
that force passes through it as if it isn’t there.

It’s not about disappearing. It’s about becoming undefinable.
There’s nothing to grab. Nothing to clash with. You’re present, but without edges.

Rickson Gracie doesn’t use the same words,
but he uses the same principle in his “invisible Jiu-Jitsu.” He doesn’t fight force, he absorbs it.
He doesn’t oppose your structure, he slips through it.

“If my opponent uses strength, I use relaxation. If he uses speed, I use timing.”
Rickson Gracie

Both arts listen before they move.
Both do more with less.
Both find control not in domination,
but in alignment, sensitivity, and timing.

Taiji empties to neutralize.
BJJ empties to submit.

Aikido's Aiki, and Invisible Jiu-Jitsu share many physical and strategic parallels with Taiji,
they do not operate with the same underlying framework of intent (意 / yì) and qi (氣).

It's different.

This means that while we can see similarities, we cannot really talk about the underlying principles without agreeing on the same theory by which they are employed.

Fwiw, I know some aikido and Daito-ryu groups that use the yi/intent concept. And Ki Aikido relies heavily on it as well.

 

[Buka]

 

[windwalker099]

Fwiw, I know some aikido and Daito-ryu groups that use the yi/intent concept. And Ki Aikido relies heavily on it as well.

Interesting

My first contact with Aikido long ago, was through a friend who was a Shihan (師範) in Koichi Tohei’s branch in Hawaii.

Back then, He didn’t talk about Yi in the Chinese sense, he did emphasize “extending ki.” Since Tohei’s system isn’t based on Traditional Chinese Medicine, it’s hard to say whether that concept is truly analogous to the Yi used in Chinese internal arts.

Would be interesting meeting him again, see how much his understanding now parallels what I’ve come to know.
Over the years, I’ve met others who studied with people using what they call “Aiki.” Based on my encounters, their approach feels quite different.