The Torture of Bradley Manning

[Makalakumu]

That's Irrelevant.

You can call him a Hero, a Traitor, or a freaking Banana... what we think doesn't matter, its what his fellow inmates think that may put his life at risk if he is released from Solitary.

He doesn't have to be kept in solitary in order to keep him safe. I don't know why people assume that. It's like people are thinking that if he's not in solitary, they'll plunk him down in General.

 

[Cryozombie]

He doesn't have to be kept in solitary in order to keep him safe. I don't know why people assume that. It's like people are thinking that if he's not in solitary, they'll plunk him down in General.

IIRC, and I may not, Military prisons are divided up into only 2 or 3 groupings and all of them put inmates in contact with each other on a fairly regular basis. I don't know what the accommodations might be to put him "Not by himself, but not with other inmates".

That being said, while I don't necessarily agree with keeping him isolated, what are you gonna say if they move him out of it and hes beaten or killed?

"oops?"

 

[billc]

Unless one of us is an actual guard at a military prison, I don't think any of us knows where he is being held, or why, specifically that he is being held there. Who here is a military guard at the prison where this guy is being held?

 

[crushing]

Solitary Confinement and it can be defined in a couple different ways, which may be causing some of the confusion here. One definition is a method is to keep the prisoner away from the other prisoners (not necessasrily prison staff) to prevent harm from coming to the prisoner. Another definition is forced isolation in a small space and the denial of contact with other persons. The second description is often used as a punishment for unruly prisoners, but is considered cruel and unusual punishment (torture) when done for extended periods of time. It appears from the article that Manning's months long solitary confinement was of the punitive type, not simply a separate cell to protect him from the other prisoners.

 

[crushing]

By now Manning could have been convinced he shot Kennedy.

 

[granfire]

By now Manning could have been convinced he shot Kennedy.

And Lincoln?

 

[Twin Fist]

whats that line from the old Baretta tv show? oh yeah

Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

boo freaking hoo, the TRAITOR isnt getting treated well enough?

one round, right in the back of the head

 

[granfire]

whats that line from the old Baretta tv show? oh yeah

Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

boo freaking hoo, the TRAITOR isnt getting treated well enough?

one round, right in the back of the head

Hmm, it's on the prosecutor to PROOF that he is in fact guilty, and even then there are those pesky constitutional rights about cruel and unusual punishments.
So (didn't we go there before) unless there is a court ruling that he has indeed handed over material he is to be considered innocent. And even if he is sentenced, you still don't get to do with him what you want.

Somewhere in that there is the problem that even though with signing on the dotted line to swore to obey orders, a soldier cannot be forced to actions that are clearly illegal and immoral, nor can they be expected to cover illegal activities, now can they.

While nobody likes a whistle blower (which are frequently and quickly called traitors, or worse) they also have a certain degree of protection under the law.

Naturally, there are always 2 different classes of people under the sun: Those who know people, and those who don't.

 

[Twin Fist]

well, i dont know much, but i do know that you aint supposed to take classified documents and give them to freaky albino looking australian people

 

[LuckyKBoxer]

Maunakumu you are out there man... everything I have ever seen you post or say is so laced with conspiracies.. I have this picture in my head of you like how Mel Gibson was in that movie..."the pelican brief?" I cant remember... you crack me up though.

personally for treason I say double tap to his dome.
problem solved
I dont give a crap if he rots in that cell.
he gave the papers, the rest is a stupid technicality. I say throw him in gen pop, let the other prisoners rip him to shreads.

 

[billc]

Wasn't that movie called "Conspiracy Theory." Not one of his best, but they did waterboard him if I remember correctly. And that was before waterboarding was the "in" thing to do.

 

[Big Don]

The movie you were thinking of, Lucky: Conspiracy Theory, Mel and old horseface

 

[granfire]

well, i dont know much, but i do know that you aint supposed to take classified documents and give them to freaky albino looking australian people

Well, the people 'in charge' are not supposed to classify toilet paper and they certainly don't have a free pass...

Government only works when the checks and balances work.

In any case. if they had the evidence, they would have nailed him to the barracks door by now...does that not give you pause to think?

You think it's ok to lock somebody up without trial until they can make something stick or make sure he's wackadoodle? And don't tell me they don't have the time for it. For high profile stuff is always time.

 

[LuckyKBoxer]

The movie you were thinking of, Lucky: Conspiracy Theory, Mel and old horseface

ya my bad... I could not remember the name, I just know everytime Maunu posts Mels character in that movie jumps up front and center.

 

[Twin Fist]

The military doesnt really HAVE "rights" as civilians understand them.
Thats one of the things you take a chance on when you sign up. And as far as that goes, they could have all the evidence in the world, but with Eric Holder in charge, they might never press charges....

Well, the people 'in charge' are not supposed to classify toilet paper and they certainly don't have a free pass...

Government only works when the checks and balances work.

In any case. if they had the evidence, they would have nailed him to the barracks door by now...does that not give you pause to think?

You think it's ok to lock somebody up without trial until they can make something stick or make sure he's wackadoodle? And don't tell me they don't have the time for it. For high profile stuff is always time.

 

[David43515]

IIRC, he`s been on suicide watch since he was arerested. That means a guard checks on him every 15 minutes 24 hrs a day. Not the most comforting situation, but hardly isolation either.If he`s convicted solitary will be the least of his problems. Many of the charges against him carry the possabl|ility of the death sentence. Treason, espionage, lending aid and comfort to the enemy, etc.

 

[Empty Hands]

The military doesnt really HAVE "rights" as civilians understand them.

The UCMJ Sections 830-835, Articles 30-35 disagree with you.

 

[Twin Fist]

once again, yo know not of what you speak Slick.

The bill of rights? doesnt appy to military

military poeple for example do not have freedom of speech, or the right to assemble

civilians cant be charged with "the general article, that covers whatever we want it to thats not under anything else"

we have to request a trial of our peers, most often we are punished my non-judicial punishment, Cant recall seeing that in the bill of rights......

there are some, different rights that military personal have, but it isnt the same things that civilians think of when they hear "right"

serve before you speak of it Slick. You will humiliate yourself less often. I know it is just a knee jerk reaction for you to disagree with me, but in this case at least, you are in the corner with the pointy hat on

 

[jks9199]

Folks,
If you can't play nice, play elsewhere. Stick to the issues at hand, and leave off the name calling. Before we have to put moderator hats on...

 

[Empty Hands]

serve before you speak of it Slick. You will humiliate yourself less often. I know it is just a knee jerk reaction for you to disagree with me, but in this case at least, you are in the corner with the pointy hat on

You did not say "Bill of Rights", nor did you say "Freedom of Speech", or anything other than "rights." Does the UCMJ Sections 830-835, Articles 30-35 specify rights of accused servicemembers or not?