The Nerve

[michaeledward]

If Lamont wins in CT, I think Tasini's going to pick up steam in NY, just on his anti-war stance alone.

Does Connecticut use Diebold?

 

[Phoenix44]

Does Connecticut use Diebold?

Why didn't I think of that...

 

[Makalakumu]

Why didn't I think of that...

I've been watching this election closely...and the answer is yes.

 

[michaeledward]

I've been watching this election closely...and the answer is yes.

I think, then, that this is too important an election for Senator Lieberman to lose. Has anyone seen Karl Rove's forehead? Is he sweating? The locals are predicting a 10 to 12 point loss for the incombent.

It will be interesting to watch this evening.

 

[mrhnau]

I think, then, that this is too important an election for Senator Lieberman to lose. Has anyone seen Karl Rove's forehead? Is he sweating? The locals are predicting a 10 to 12 point loss for the incombent.

It will be interesting to watch this evening.

I personally think its in the Democrats best interest for Lieberman to win. He has announced he will run as an Independant if he loses, and he should be able to pull a significant part of the Democratic vote. The state just might go Republican if that happens... So, if he does lose tonight, the Dems are going to try -very- hard to get him not to run as an Independant I think...

 

[Phoenix44]

I think the point is that Democrats don't consider Lieberman a Democrat. If it votes like a Republican, it may as well be a Republican.

 

[michaeledward]

I'm watching closely at wfsb.com ... the Hartford, CT CBS affiliate.

Currently, the Diebold campaign hasn't yet swung into action. 17% of precincts reporting 56% Lamont - 44% Lieberman.

Lieberman's campaign site has been down for over 24 hours ... they have filed a complaint with the State Attorney General and accused Lamont supporters/campaign with hacking their site. Although, the site was apparently hosted at a very low quality, low cost site.

Bob, are you watching this? Any insight?

 

[Monadnock]

Sometimes too much traffic will bring a site down, such as DOS attacks, but I doubt that was the case. But I certainly don't go to a candidate's website the night of a poll, I watch the news, so who knows. I'm sure the far left-wing loonies and bloggers would rather have took to the streets in celebration but then dirty tactics are a trademark.

 

[michaeledward]

Sometimes too much traffic will bring a site down, such as DOS attacks, but I doubt that was the case. But I certainly don't go to a candidate's website the night of a poll, I watch the news, so who knows. I'm sure the far left-wing loonies and bloggers would rather have took to the streets in celebration but then dirty tactics are a trademark.

146,061 far left loonies and bloggers, so far ... apparently.

 

[Don Roley]

I personally think its in the Democrats best interest for Lieberman to win. He has announced he will run as an Independant if he loses, and he should be able to pull a significant part of the Democratic vote. The state just might go Republican if that happens... So, if he does lose tonight, the Dems are going to try -very- hard to get him not to run as an Independant I think...

As we know, he did lose. Lieberman is one of the few people who I may disagree with a lot of the time, but whom I know is always doing what he thinks is right.

And of course that puts him at a disadvantage to people who will change their stance as the wind blows like Clinton.

Personally, I want a representative who will do what they think is right rather than what they think I want. They may have more access to clasified information and such than I do. I have to trust them some times to make the best choice with the information they have rather than follow the choice I would make with the info I have. And I could trust Lieberman to do that but could never trust Clinton in the same way. But it is the Clintons of the world that get elected and not those that buck the crowd to do what they think is right like Lieberman.

 

[Phoenix44]

Well, there are two schools of thought about what people want from their elected reprentatives:

1. Individuals who will generally vote in Congress according to what he or she believes is right, regardless of what the constituents want.

2. Individuals who will generally vote in Congress according to what their constituents want.

I think that sooner or later, constituents are going to want someone whose beliefs are similar to their own, so that 1 and 2 essentially blend into one. I truly think that Lieberman no longer sees eye to eye with his constituents on the issues most important to them, and so they elected someone who they believe can represent them better. It's not really that shocking.

Look, Lieberman had an 18 year run...that's pretty good, probably longer than most of us can stay in a job! But nobody has a permanent claim to an elected position.

 

[FearlessFreep]

and so they elected someone who they believe can represent them better. It's not really that shocking.

Not quite, they nominated a candidate to represent their party in the election, which is a big difference.

Do you nominate someone you don't like whom you think can win?
Do you nominate someone you like whom you don't think can win?

Different set of questions....different set of risks.

 

[michaeledward]

But, isn't that the way our Constitution Republic is supposed to work?

10,119 more voters pulled the lever for Mr. Lamont, than did for Senator Leiberman. Senator Joe should (and I think will) go away, quietly.

The choice should now be Lamont against Orchulli.

Ferrucci and Mertens will also be on the ballot, but as the Green and Independent Party Candidates, they will be marginal on the ballot.

 

[FearlessFreep]

But, isn't that the way our Constitution Republic is supposed to work?

Show my a two party system with primaries as a way of selecting the two candidates, as part of the constitution?


The choice should now be Lamont against Orchulli.

Tell that to Perot's supporters


Ferrucci and Mertens will also be on the ballot, but as the Green and Independent Party Candidates, they will be marginal on the ballot.


*shrug*, then if you are right , so will be Lieberman

 

[michaeledward]

But, isn't that the way our Constitution Republic is supposed to work?

Show my a two party system with primaries as a way of selecting the two candidates, as part of the constitution?

As requested

Section 4. The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

The choice should now be Lamont against Orchulli.

Tell that to Perot's supporters

I'm sorry, did I miss the part where Ross Perot came in second place at the National Nominating Convention for either the Republican or Democratic Parties?

The Analogy falls apart.

Ferrucci and Mertens will also be on the ballot, but as the Green and Independent Party Candidates, they will be marginal on the ballot.


*shrug*, then if you are right , so will be Lieberman

As I have stated earlier ... I believe that Senator Leiberman will bow out by November 7th.

 

[FearlessFreep]

As requested

Quote:
Originally Posted by United States Constitution - Article I - Section 4
Section 4. The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

Nothing in there mandates a two party system, nor a primary system for how parties select their candidates, nor precludes Leiberman from doing what he is doing.


I'm sorry, did I miss the part where Ross Perot came in second place at the National Nominating Convention for either the Republican or Democratic Parties?

Nope, you missed the part where the supporters of a third candidate decided it should not come down to just two candidates


As I have stated earlier ... I believe that Senator Leiberman will bow out by November 7th.

There is precedent in Connecticut for a Democrat to lose the primary and yet win as an Independent

Why would he bow out?

 

[michaeledward]

I'm sorry, did I miss the part where Ross Perot came in second place at the National Nominating Convention for either the Republican or Democratic Parties?

Nope, you missed the part where the supporters of a third candidate decided it should not come down to just two candidates


As I have stated earlier ... I believe that Senator Leiberman will bow out by November 7th.

There is precedent in Connecticut for a Democrat to lose the primary and yet win as an Independent

Why would he bow out?

Senator Leiberman will not complete the campaign for the same reason my former senator, Robert Smith (R-NH) is no longer in the Senate. By leaving the party apparatus, all of the funding sources dry up, all of the positions in the body are removed, and the ability to play a part in policy becomes nil.

Senator Smith left the Republican Party, then came back, and then got run out of office. It will be no different for Citizen Joe with the ties severed to the Democratic party.

Is there precident, anywhere, for a candidate to lose his party's nomination, then run as an independent, and still win?

Perot was not part of a Party.
Ventura was not part of a Party.
Jeffords was elected as a socialist, wasn't he?

 

[Don Roley]

There is precedent in Connecticut for a Democrat to lose the primary and yet win as an Independent

Maybe you can name names. Some of us are not up on politics in that kneck of the woods.

I know those in the democratic party want him to go away. I expect there to be a lot of pressure on him, maybe even some threats, to do so. But like him or hate him, you can bet that he will do what he thinks is right and not just what the party wants. In that, I can respect him even if I disagree with him on many issues.

 

[michaeledward]

I know those in the democratic party want him to go away.

I assume you mean people like, oh, Former President William Jefferson Clinton, Senator Christopher Dodd, Senator Hillary Clinton. These, and many other prominent Democrats campaigned with and for Senator Leiberman preceeding the primary.

Now, Mr. Leiberman has lost the Democratic Primary. The Democratic Candidate for Senate in Connecticut is Ned Lamont. Expect those prominent Democrats to support the candidate selected by the Democrats in the State of Connecticut.

 

[FearlessFreep]

Mayor Michael Jarjura of Waterbury, Ct won as a write-in candidate after he lost in the primary