Terminology distinction?
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Vajramusti
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-----------------------------------------------To me- there is a difference. A deflection could be not as accurate and controlled as redirection. But meaning can vary with user
Danny T
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For me...deflection is causing a change of direction whereas a redirection is to change the path of something for the use of it differently.
There is another term for "redirection" and that's "guide/tuck". You temporary "guide/tuck" your opponent's arm away from your next moving path. You may also try to take advantage on his reaction.
deflect - as long as your opponent's arm is away from your moving path, you don't care much about his arm position (conservative approach).
redirection (or guide/tuck) - you want your opponent's arm to be at the precise location (aggressive approach).
deflect - as long as your opponent's arm is away from your moving path, you don't care much about his arm position (conservative approach).
redirection (or guide/tuck) - you want your opponent's arm to be at the precise location (aggressive approach).
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My understanding of the terms is that "deflection" is a block of sorts, letting the energy of the strike/attack disperse in whatever new direction you sent it, whereas "redirection" means you alter the direction of the strike/attack specifically to give you access to something new (perhaps a throw). That means with the deflection I don't care what new direction I give the attack, so long as it doesn't hit me, while with the redirection I pick a new direction with purpose beyond simply avoiding the strike.
wingchun100
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To me...
Deflection = preventing an attack from landing but without making any use of the energy
EXAMPLE: You use a pak sao to knock a punch to the head off course.
Redirection = you block the attack, but then use the energy to add power to your counter attack
EXAMPLE: If someone shoves you by pushing on your right shoulder, you pivot with their shove while punching. Thus you redirect the energy from their shove into your punch, making it hit harder.
Deflection = preventing an attack from landing but without making any use of the energy
EXAMPLE: You use a pak sao to knock a punch to the head off course.
Redirection = you block the attack, but then use the energy to add power to your counter attack
EXAMPLE: If someone shoves you by pushing on your right shoulder, you pivot with their shove while punching. Thus you redirect the energy from their shove into your punch, making it hit harder.
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When I hear "redirect" I generally think of arts like Judo or Akido that actively use an opponent's energy against them by redirecting it and flowing it into a counter attack. I also think "redirecting" in this sense requires a fairly committed attack. In the context of WC, to "deflect" is more common and it has a much more passive connotation (in the WT I have seen first hand / been taught anyway) than "redirecting".
Basic example:
- An straight punch to the solar plexus is deflected just enough off its intended target by a punch slightly to the outside with good low elbow force.
- An inside punch slightly higher, like to the face or from a taller opponent, can be wedged out from the inside by punching a straight path to the opponent's face.
In both cases, hitting the opponent is the primary objective, not parrying the attack, but the opponents attack is deflected by the use of punching technique and angle.
Basic example:
- An straight punch to the solar plexus is deflected just enough off its intended target by a punch slightly to the outside with good low elbow force.
- An inside punch slightly higher, like to the face or from a taller opponent, can be wedged out from the inside by punching a straight path to the opponent's face.
In both cases, hitting the opponent is the primary objective, not parrying the attack, but the opponents attack is deflected by the use of punching technique and angle.
Danny T
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What term do you use to describe an attack being prevented through the placement of another attack. For me the deflection happens as a by-product of good positioning while attacking. Not due to chasing the limbs. Redirection happens as well and because of good positioning of the body and elbows control of the limb happens. It isn't chasing it is just what happens and those are the terms used to describe those happens.
Same thing as far as I'm concerned. Everything else is just semantics. If you deflect something it has been redirected. And a deflection is not necessarily "hand chasing." I could be punching someone so that I am deflecting their punch while I am hitting them....ie...a "cutting" punch or "excluding" punch. That certainly isn't "hand chasing." And in the process I have "redirected" their punch off of the centerline and the line to its intended target.
Honestly, the words deflection and redirection can be used correctly and still mean different things to different people. If you want to know more about what the author of that article meant, he's easy enough to contact. Check out his website.
I think the point is to think of attack, and not to think of deflecting and redirecting.
Those are techniques used in attacking/defending. That's like saying, "The point is to think of attack,and not to think about blocking and moving."
Good way to end up with what is known in HEMA as a "double kill."
Danny T
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Ok...as I stated; "...through the placement of another attack."
But that doesn't answer the question.
[QUOTE="Danny T] as I stated; "...through the placement of another attack."
But that doesn't answer the question.[/QUOTE]
It does answer the question. It's called attacking centre, or VT. There isn't any need to call it something special because it is a consequence of attacking with VT, not a goal in itself.
But that doesn't answer the question.[/QUOTE]
It does answer the question. It's called attacking centre, or VT. There isn't any need to call it something special because it is a consequence of attacking with VT, not a goal in itself.
If you attack with VT you don't need to think of blocking and moving, redirecting and deflecting. You just attack
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