Mon Mon
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Now to all my martial arts friends on here what is wrong with this?:duh:
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Taoist Defense Against Brazilian Jujitsu style takedowns
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Now to all my martial arts friends on here what is wrong with this?:duh:
In that clip, "by using the stealing step to step out of your opponent's attacking path" has been addressed which is the most important principle IMO. If you are not there, there is nothing for your opponent to attack. We should look "what's shown in that clip" and not "what's missing in that clip".
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Steve
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come on, guys. I've never seen anyone, in any style of grappling ever, teach the "start from 10 feet away, bend over at the waist with your arms extended, close your eyes, charge (slowly) and hope your opponent doesn't move," takedown. This is so far removed from reality that it could just as easily have been a demonstration of Star Trek fight choreography.
You can't draw any legitimate conclusions if the premise is fundamentally stupid. It's like saying, "If we presume that fire breathing dragons are real, shouldn't we all wear nomex underwear?" Well, that sounds perfectly reasonable, except that there are no fire breathing dragons. Why would we ever pretend that there are?
You can't draw any legitimate conclusions if the premise is fundamentally stupid. It's like saying, "If we presume that fire breathing dragons are real, shouldn't we all wear nomex underwear?" Well, that sounds perfectly reasonable, except that there are no fire breathing dragons. Why would we ever pretend that there are?
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Other than I doubt it is Taoist and it isn't Brazilian Jujitsu I see no issue here
:jaw-dropping: DRAGONS!!!!! I had no idea.....looks like I need to figure out what the hell nomex underwear is :uhyeah:
Being a CMA guy who ha trained Taijiquan for years and also did an awful lot of Xingyiquan I have to say I agree with Steve here.
It is a viable defense but it is highly unlike that any Brazilian Jujitsu person is ever going to come at you that way at that distance. I know a drunken pro-wrestler that did (but he came a bit faster) and that defense worked but you have to add a trip. I would be more incline to root and use Zhou if the person was already on me like I would expect from a good BJJ guy, but if he did decide to put his head down and charge me like a bull I might resort to stepping out of the way, but I highly doubt a good (and sober) BJJ guy would do that
:jaw-dropping: DRAGONS!!!!! I had no idea.....looks like I need to figure out what the hell nomex underwear is :uhyeah:
Being a CMA guy who ha trained Taijiquan for years and also did an awful lot of Xingyiquan I have to say I agree with Steve here.
It is a viable defense but it is highly unlike that any Brazilian Jujitsu person is ever going to come at you that way at that distance. I know a drunken pro-wrestler that did (but he came a bit faster) and that defense worked but you have to add a trip. I would be more incline to root and use Zhou if the person was already on me like I would expect from a good BJJ guy, but if he did decide to put his head down and charge me like a bull I might resort to stepping out of the way, but I highly doubt a good (and sober) BJJ guy would do that
Hey, this isn't just a defense against takedowns. It's also an effective punch defense against someone who throws punches by charging in slowly from ten feet away with his head down and eyes closed.
Seriously, getting off the line of attack is an important defensive principle in general. However if you are going to demonstrate a defense against some form of attack, it's a good idea to find someone who has a clue about actually performing the attack in question.
Seriously, getting off the line of attack is an important defensive principle in general. However if you are going to demonstrate a defense against some form of attack, it's a good idea to find someone who has a clue about actually performing the attack in question.
I thought it might have some relevance to football and knife fights as seen in West Side Story.
RTKDCMB
Senior Master
Or practicing for a bull fight.
Pwen Arye
Yellow Belt
Ok, so the man felt attacked by the martial arts community and decided to extend an invitation to any grappler to try the technique out. The challenge was excepted.
the video [video=youtube_share;lXRf5-sH3SA]http://youtu.be/lXRf5-sH3SA[/video]
the video [video=youtube_share;lXRf5-sH3SA]http://youtu.be/lXRf5-sH3SA[/video]
The grappling arts is complicate. To
1. prevent a problem from happening,
2. deal with a problem when it's happening,
3. deal with a problem after it has happened,
will require different skill set. A simple example,
If
1. I can run faster than you can, there is nothing that you can do to me. I only need to deal with your footwork.
2. you get me into clinch, I will need clinching skill to deal with you.
3. you apply a take down on me, I will need take down counter skill to deal with you.
Since the 1st clip only applies to the 1st situation - move your body to be outside of your opponent's moving path, it won't work for the 2nd and 3rd situations.
1. prevent a problem from happening,
2. deal with a problem when it's happening,
3. deal with a problem after it has happened,
will require different skill set. A simple example,
If
1. I can run faster than you can, there is nothing that you can do to me. I only need to deal with your footwork.
2. you get me into clinch, I will need clinching skill to deal with you.
3. you apply a take down on me, I will need take down counter skill to deal with you.
Since the 1st clip only applies to the 1st situation - move your body to be outside of your opponent's moving path, it won't work for the 2nd and 3rd situations.
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Interesting how the original video is presented as showing a defense against a "takedown", but in the follow-up video he has backed it down to only being a defense against a shove.
Still, kudos to the fellow for being willing to meet with a BJJ practitioner and actually test out his theories.
Still, kudos to the fellow for being willing to meet with a BJJ practitioner and actually test out his theories.
ST1Doppelganger
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The first video was a terrible example of a takedown attempt even though the theory can work at times.
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I'd give more kudos to the guy if he'd met with a decent grappler and tested his stuff before posting that first crap-ola clip.
Shinjuku Kid
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Agree it took guts to go find someone and respond .... earnest at the least.
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