what i mean Mike is that if someone keeps pushing you and you tell them to stop and they don't,now the next time that person pushed you he would get a finger in the eye,,now i remember awhile back i was at this gas station (to make a long story short) the gas guy tried to cheat me and i caught it,so i said something to him,while this was going on Mom and Pop was in the car,so when i said something to him he yelled at me and tried to hit me,(the gas man not pop) he thew the punch i did a finger spear to his eye,so after that (when he could see ) he ran at me and because we had some ice and snow on the ground as he grabbed i fell to my knees, as i tried to get up i slipped again,as i was on the ground the man was on top of me, so i grabbed his hair and the tubin came off, his head went back i took my right palm and hit him under the chin, he ran away into the office, so it works both ways, sorry this was so long.