Taiji Quan for Self Defense

[samoobramba]

I will tell you, I was intrigued and thought, if I am going to critique, why don't I buy it and read it....I mean since you said it was such a low price......."Such a low price"...really...... $30 is a low price...not really


Yang Style
Book by Fu Xhongwen is $16.74
Yang Swing Ming $16.49 and 14.49
Yang Chengfu $16.95

Sun Style taijiquan books, by Sun Lutang less that $25

Chen style books, from the Chen family are less than $20

Wu style books less that $20

Based on that, $30 is not a low price, rather high actually for an unknown making extraordinary claims

But I do have to thank you, in my search for book prices to compare I did find one I am interested in

Scientific Taijiquan Volume Two: The Wu Jianquan Taijiquan Teachings of Chu Minyi, and its only $11.99. That one I did purchased, Without this thread, I am not sure I would have found that, thanks

As I said you don't have to buy my book. Is your choice what do you want.
You can't compare that books with mine. None of that books eplain the principles openly and completely.
Today every Tai Chi course is about 50 USD and you get 4 videos 10-15 minutes. But also here noone openly teach the "secrets" (principles and drills).
As I said I was in doubts if publish the book or not. It is a giveaway of the Tai Chi secrets. But I decided to publish it as my gift to humanity. However IMHO few will undersand it (completely) without an oral transmission. So do what you want. Bot there is no other but with so high rate of info per USD. ;-)

 

[Xue Sheng]

As I said you don't have to buy my book. Is your choice what do you want.
You can't compare that books with mine. None of that books eplain the principles openly and completely.
Today every Tai Chi course is about 50 USD and you get 4 videos 10-15 minutes. But also here noone openly teach the "secrets" (principles and drills).
As I said I was in doubts if publish the book or not. It is a giveaway of the Tai Chi secrets. But I decided to publish it as my gift to humanity. However IMHO few will undersand it (completely) without an oral transmission. So do what you want. Bot there is no other but with so high rate of info per USD. ;-)

Wait...did you learn by video?

Gift to humanity...... few will understand...... seriously.... you're going to go with that egocentric sales pitch..... alrighty then

 

[samoobramba]

Wait...did you learn by video?

Gift to humanity...... few will understand...... seriously.... you're going to go with that egocentric sales pitch..... alrighty then

I studied in persons, reading the literature and watching videos. However the oral transmission is the most important. But few know the real Taijiquan.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I studied in persons, reading the literature and watching videos. However the oral transmission is the most important. But few know the real Taijiquan.

What did you study in person? and for how long?

And please stop with the sales pitch...it isn't gaining you anything with me

 

[samoobramba]

What did you study in person? and for how long?

And please stop with the sales pitch...it isn't gaining you anything with me

As I said please don't buy it. Who will need it will buy it.

 

[Xue Sheng]

As I said please don't buy it. Who will need it will buy it.

I am not talking about buying it, I am asking you questions which you don't seem to want to answer

1) What did you study in person?

2) And for how long?

 

[samoobramba]

Is all in the book. I studied with many masters. The book is a result of my almost 25 years of practice and researching in Taijiquan.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Is all in the book. I studied with many masters. The book is a result of my almost 25 years of practice and researching in Taijiquan.

just answer the dang question, all this mystery is not helping your credibility...

1) What did you study in person?

2) And for how long?

First you tell me "Don't buy the book" now you say if I want to know if you trained with directly with an actual person and how long, not just by video, and what you trained you infer I need to by the book....

Why the secrecy? Why the reluctance to answer simple questions?

 

[Appledog]

Is all in the book. I studied with many masters. The book is a result of my almost 25 years of practice and researching in Taijiquan.

Your book isn't very good. Wang Fengming's book is much better. That doesn't mean your book is worthless, but your attitude that you are the one saving tai chi from obscurity is laughable.

TBH I don't have a lot of confidence in the content of your book solely because of that opinion and because of the picture of CMC on the cover. CMC Tai Chi is about as heterodox as you can get while still barely being Tai Chi.

 

[windwalker099]

CMC Tai Chi is about as heterodox as you can get while still barely being Tai Chi.

Some in Taiwan might have a different viewpoint.

I studied in persons, reading the literature and watching videos. However the oral transmission is the most important. But few know the real Taijiquan.

Nothing wrong with being a journalist or academic. Those writing about taiji in the past, may not have had the skill they wrote about. Some of the old masters were said to be illiterate.

In the old days those talking about the real did so in person, through public matches, or demos allowing others to see it.
In todays time, a little different..depending on location, are their any clips of "your" real you write of ?

 

[Appledog]

Some in Taiwan might have a different viewpoint.

No, they all agree. Just ask any of Huang's students who do his white crane forms. I'm not making this up. Huang's "tai chi fast form".

CMC's Tai Chi is the Wing Chun of Tai Chi styles. It's shortened. Isn't that a fact? What about the loosenig exercises? No other school teaches those, where did those come from? What about the shoulder opening exercises in pure CMC schools, where do those come from?

You need to understand that this isn't a criticism -- different lines do things differently and some are faster and some are slower but learning slow is also fast. It doesn't mean you are right or wrong. Wrong is only when you disregard the root.

Nothing wrong with being a journalist or academic. Those writing about taiji in the past, may not have had the skill they wrote about. Some of the old masters were said to be illiterate.

In the old days those talking about the real did so in person, through public matches, or demos allowing others to see it.
In todays time, a little different..depending on location, are their any clips of "your" real you write of ?

On the flipside I've seen your clips, and I know for a fact that we do different things. I wasn't impressed because i'm moving in a different direction. In the end, it doesn't matter how skilled you are, I am doing my thing and you are doing yours, and part of my thing is a terrible responsibility that you can never understand.

 

[windwalker099]

No, they all agree. Just ask any of Huang's students who do his white crane forms. I'm not making this up. Huang's "tai chi fast form".

CMC's Tai Chi is the Wing Chun of Tai Chi styles. It's shortened. Isn't that a fact? What about the loosenig exercises? No other school teaches those, where did those come from? What about the shoulder opening exercises in pure CMC schools, where do those come from?

You need to understand that different lines do things differently and some are faster and some are slower but learning slow is also fast. It doesn't mean you are right or wrong. Wrong is only when you disregard the root.


On the flipside I've seen your clips, and I know for a fact that we do different things. I wasn't impressed because i'm moving in a different direction. In the end, it doesn't matter how skilled you are, I am doing my thing and you are doing yours, and part of my thing is a terrible responsibility that you can never understand.

If they all agree, why should I have to ask any specific people?

The people I spoke with, and that I know seemed very confident in what they’re doing, and where their art comes from .

Have studied the 37 step from people who learned directly from CMC. Good style, very condensed

Videos

The videos of myself / students, or some of the things we did in China, are not meant to impress anyone but to give readers a sense of where the words come from.

This is something you mentioned doing in the past but somehow never seem to get around to.
You do post clips of your students....beginners...

You write a lot.
Living in Taiwan, you should have plenty of opportunities to physically test your words.

 

[windwalker099]

I am doing my thing and you are doing yours, and part of my thing is a terrible responsibility that you can never understand.

Why would anyone want to understand “your thing “

I certainly don’t , others might, always a possibility.

Part of the op was directed at “samoobramba”

samoobramba said:
I studied in persons, reading the literature and watching videos. However the oral transmission is the most important. But few know the real Taijiquan.

His book promotion

Proclaiming he’s got the “real”

My suggestion, in the past those feeling they have the “real “ did so by other means first ,
than worte a book . He seems to have skipped a couple of steps.

Maybe you’re confusing those comments as being directed at you, they weren’t .

 

[Same Trick]

No, they all agree. Just ask any of Huang's students who do his white crane forms. I'm not making this up. Huang's "tai chi fast form".

CMC's Tai Chi is the Wing Chun of Tai Chi styles. It's shortened. Isn't that a fact? What about the loosenig exercises? No other school teaches those, where did those come from? What about the shoulder opening exercises in pure CMC schools, where do those come from?

You need to understand that this isn't a criticism -- different lines do things differently and some are faster and some are slower but learning slow is also fast. It doesn't mean you are right or wrong. Wrong is only when you disregard the root.


On the flipside I've seen your clips, and I know for a fact that we do different things. I wasn't impressed because i'm moving in a different direction. In the end, it doesn't matter how skilled you are, I am doing my thing and you are doing yours, and part of my thing is a terrible responsibility that you can never understand.

This sounds confused, you seem to say CMQ did not do TJQ but rather ving tsun and white crane ??…… and every one agree with this ??

Is this what you are saying ?

 

[windwalker099]

No, they all agree. Just ask any of Huang's students who do his white crane forms. I'm not making this up. Huang's "tai chi fast form".

Most teachers that I know, and have known teaching "taiji"
Master level hands, did not recommend doing other things besides taiji in their training..

If I'm not mistaken Huang's "white crane" is from Fujian...having studied it before meeting ZMC...

Like many things, it might have influenced his outlook.
Maybe in his later years, reflecting on it, he decided to teach others some aspects of his earlier training...

Seemed kind of strange from my perspective considering the "fujain"
white crane, clips I've seen over the yrs..


"Fast forms"

Something some taiji lines do...
Not a fan of them...

Although other systems have "slow forms"
"Cotton needle" comes to mind out Tibetan White Crane..

An interesting set, something never learned..

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Nothing wrong with being a journalist or academic.

MA has nothing to do with journalist or academic. MA is what you can do with your body. MA is not what you think you can do in your mind.

In my mind, I always think I can fly. In reality, I can't.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Sometimes, I wonder, if the OP

- posts a personal video, people may think he is showing off.
- doesn't post his personal video, people may say that he talks way too much and shows nothing.

What should be the balance here in the forum discussion?

 

[Same Trick]

Sometimes, I wonder, if the OP

- posts a personal video, people may think he is showing off.
- doesn't post his personal video, people may say that he talks way too much and shows nothing.

What should be the balance here in the forum discussion?

the OP just had to post a pic of ZMQ and some in the thread think OP’s showing off

 

[windwalker099]

What should be the balance here in the forum discussion?

If some one makes a claim..

It cover subjects that many today Taiji Quan masters will not like. It is about the real Taiji Quan, not what is today taught as Taiji Quan.

Wouldn't most people want to "see" the "real"
To understand why they should buy a book ?

 

[samoobramba]

Your book isn't very good. Wang Fengming's book is much better. That doesn't mean your book is worthless, but your attitude that you are the one saving tai chi from obscurity is laughable.

TBH I don't have a lot of confidence in the content of your book solely because of that opinion and because of the picture of CMC on the cover. CMC Tai Chi is about as heterodox as you can get while still barely being Tai Chi.

1) Given that Wang Fengming teaches the Chen style, I doubt his book is better.
2) Cheng Man Ching is one of the last teachers that taught fighting. But he never taught that in public.
3) However, my jurnery last all my life in in learn whatever I can. So I will also get the Wang Fengming's book to see what is about. My IMA & Tai Chi book collection has probably more than 1000 titles