Taiji push hands basics

[blindsage]

This guy's instruction is great.

 

[oaktree]

Ug you are in the way that girl in the back looks cute.
Anyway good points I think more people need to have some one put
Pressure on them when they go through the forms to understand
The principles.

 

[K-man]

blindsage, I thank you for a most interesting post.

I would be interested in hearing what people think about his explanation of what he is doing. That is, he talks about putting his mind out etc.

The 'standing on one leg' move is also interesting. I've been demonstrating it for some time but have not seen anyone else doing it. I would be interested in hearing what you experience when you try it, but remember, you don't do it by leaning.

Suker, I've just re-read an old thread from 4 years ago that got quite involved. You may remember it, about a hoax. This is part of what I was trying to describe back then.
:asian:

 

[seasoned]

I enjoyed the video, as I was able to relate what he was saying pertaining to body mechanics, back to a kata called "Tensho". Thanks for posting......

 

[Blaze Dragon]

blindsage, I thank you for a most interesting post.

I would be interested in hearing what people think about his explanation of what he is doing. That is, he talks about putting his mind out etc.

The 'standing on one leg' move is also interesting. I've been demonstrating it for some time but have not seen anyone else doing it. I would be interested in hearing what you experience when you try it, but remember, you don't do it by leaning.

Suker, I've just re-read an old thread from 4 years ago that got quite involved. You may remember it, about a hoax. This is part of what I was trying to describe back then.
:asian:

I like alot of what he is saying and explaining. When we do Taiji at my Kwoon we have the legs and hands reverse, so if the left arm relaxes and yeilds the right arm does the reverse, and the legs are oposite, left arm to right leg, and right arm to left leg. So it was interesting that he was explaining the pressure as being one side of the body like that.

As for the mind part, I completely agree. Where you put your mind makes a big difference I think.

To throw in something that is not related to my kwoon but my personal path, real magic is based upon the principal of all energy follows thought. so putt your mind there energy will follow.

I've noticed this principal in my taiji practice, such as if you put your mind and intent in you feet and legs and being rooted you can be hard to push over, but if your attention goes up to your head you can be pushed over. at my kwoon we call this dropping your qi. My Sifu demonstrated it to me by having me sink and get in a nice stance and pushing me from the side, and then you just patted the top of my head which distracted me and push again and I lost my sinking.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Very Nice I shall have to look into Byron Zhang and Water Taijiquan

Now add the 13 postures and your good to go (actually he did throw in a couple already)

 

[K-man]

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As for the mind part, I completely agree. Where you put your mind makes a big difference I think.

To throw in something that is not related to my kwoon but my personal path, real magic is based upon the principal of all energy follows thought. so putt your mind there energy will follow.

I've noticed this principal in my taiji practice, such as if you put your mind and intent in you feet and legs and being rooted you can be hard to push over, but if your attention goes up to your head you can be pushed over. at my kwoon we call this dropping your qi. My Sifu demonstrated it to me by having me sink and get in a nice stance and pushing me from the side, and then you just patted the top of my head which distracted me and push again and I lost my sinking.

We work on the the principle that where the mind goes the body follows. :asian:

 

[K-man]

Here is another video of the same guy.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=8YSjSKk81OE&desktop_uri=/watch?v=8YSjSKk81OE&gl=GB

(perhaps someone can tell me how to put the actual video in the post )

We talk about it in slightly different terms in that he talks about keeping the same pressure on the ground as on the arm. I say don't set your feet and don't push with the arm, but the result is the same. The move is generated from the centre which is always moving. :asian:

Edit. I may as well post part 3.

Notice in particular the guy in the green shirt and the trouble he has until Master Byron tells him to put his mind out. Good stuff!

 

[Blaze Dragon]

Here is another video of the same guy.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=8YSjSKk81OE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D8YSjSKk81OE&gl=GB

(perhaps someone can tell me how to put the actual video in the post )

We talk about it in slightly different terms in that he talks about keeping the same pressure on the ground as on the arm. I say don't set your feet and don't push with the arm, but the result is the same. The move is generated from the centre which is always moving. :asian:

Edit. I may as well post part 3.

Notice in particular the guy in the green shirt and the trouble he has until Master Byron tells him to put his mind out. Good stuff!

This forum seems to work on elements, as in the quote [ ] on each side of quote to start and again with a /quote to end.

so to do a video you would put VIDEO link here /VIDEO just with the brackets on each side of both if that makes sense. If I type it it might try to use it as an element, let me see if I can type it with spaces just of course remove the spaces

[ VIDEO ] link here [ /VIDEO ]

if you go advanced there is an icon you can click for video too.

 

[blindsage]

blindsage, I thank you for a most interesting post.

I would be interested in hearing what people think about his explanation of what he is doing. That is, he talks about putting his mind out etc.

The 'standing on one leg' move is also interesting. I've been demonstrating it for some time but have not seen anyone else doing it. I would be interested in hearing what you experience when you try it, but remember, you don't do it by leaning.

Suker, I've just re-read an old thread from 4 years ago that got quite involved. You may remember it, about a hoax. This is part of what I was trying to describe back then.
:asian:

Chen Xiaowang does it frequently in demos, a lot of Taiji teachers do. I've recently begun to understand this better, taken a while. My sifu demostrates it sometimes (and has us practice it :uhohh from standing on two legs, have your opponent start pushing and have you root into the the back leg while lifting the front leg and having the upper body diagonal through the leg to the ground. I think it's more of a Bagua version. I realize this is kind of difficult description to visualize, but basically it's to demonstrate that you don't have to be standing straight up to have root, as long as you have proper structure you can have root from almost any position.

And when he's talking about putting his mind out, I think he's just talking about intent, one the things the classics talk about all the time.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I have seen some Zhaobao guys to one leg push hands but it was an old video I cannot find on YouTube anymore, you may still find it on Sohu.com

 

[oaktree]

Speaking of baguazhang and pushing and rooting,
One exercise we have is to walk circle and have some one
Push you at different directions it is very different feel then
In taiji.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Speaking of baguazhang and pushing and rooting,
One exercise we have is to walk circle and have some one
Push you at different directions it is very different feel then
In taiji.

taiji four corner push hands or moving free style might be close

 

[Blaze Dragon]

taiji four corner push hands or moving free style might be close

Not sure if I've heard of four corner push hands. We've done the free style before, where we are doing push hands but stepping and walking. It's alot of fun

 

[Xue Sheng]

Not sure if I've heard of four corner push hands. We've done the free style before, where we are doing push hands but stepping and walking. It's alot of fun

Free style; Stepping, walking, circling, forward, backwards, sideways and at angles

Four corner is just what it sounds like, going corner to corner to corner to corner in a square you visualize on the floor

Also sideways, 1 step, 3 step, stick and follow drills, etc.

 

[K-man]

Chen Xiaowang does it frequently in demos, a lot of Taiji teachers do. I've recently begun to understand this better, taken a while. My sifu demostrates it sometimes (and has us practice it :uhohh from standing on two legs, have your opponent start pushing and have you root into the the back leg while lifting the front leg and having the upper body diagonal through the leg to the ground. I think it's more of a Bagua version. I realize this is kind of difficult description to visualize, but basically it's to demonstrate that you don't have to be standing straight up to have root, as long as you have proper structure you can have root from almost any position.

And when he's talking about putting his mind out, I think he's just talking about intent, one the things the classics talk about all the time.

Standing on one leg and having people try to push you over is one of my party 'tricks'. Just that it isn't a trick and it freaks some people especially when they try to do it themselves and get pushed straight over. It's really interesting to hear their explanation as to what makes it possible. Most people actually lean in when they take their foot of the ground and if you step back they fall forward. It works by sinking your centre and absorbing the energy, not by leaning against the pressure.

I just realised that both you and Xue were part of the thread from four years back, I referred to earlier. I wonder if any of the guys have changed their mind.

:asian:

 

[oaktree]

I haven't seen a circle like motion push hands for chen yet.
Is that a traditional set?

 

[mook jong man]

The head of our lineage of Wing Chun , Tsui Seung Tin also does the standing on one leg demonstration .
Except he stands on a set of scales as he is being pushed.
As the person starts pushing harder and harder , Tsui Seung Tin's bodyweight actually increases as he absorbs the force down through his stance and into the floor.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I haven't seen a circle like motion push hands for chen yet.
Is that a traditional set?

It is not circle walking like bagua but it is moving in a cirlce, or any direction for that matter. I do not know if it is in Chen and I have no idea if it is in Traditional Yang that you find in the Yang family today but it is in the Traditional Yang style the comes from Tung Ying Chieh.

Standing on one leg and having people try to push you over is one of my party 'tricks'. Just that it isn't a trick and it freaks some people especially when they try to do it themselves and get pushed straight over. It's really interesting to hear their explanation as to what makes it possible. Most people actually lean in when they take their foot of the ground and if you step back they fall forward. It works by sinking your centre and absorbing the energy, not by leaning against the pressure.

I just realised that both you and Xue were part of the thread from four years back, I referred to earlier. I wonder if any of the guys have changed their mind.

:asian:

Ahh I don't try and change any ones mind anymore

 

[Xue Sheng]

Various Push hands drills from roughly my lineage, there are others that I have been taught that are dealing more with circles but I cannot find anything on YouTube

This is Tung Ying Chieh's Grandson who learned from his father Tung Hu Ling. Dong Zeng Chen is the youngest son of Tung Hu Ling, the younger brother of Tung Kai Ying and the father of Alex Dong

What I do is a little different since my sifu was a student of Tung Ying Chieh as was Tung Hu Ling (Tung Ying Chieh’s son)

This is the 4 corner drill

Master Dong Taichi Push Hands - Dalu 董增辰師父太極推手大履

Master Dong Push Hands Drill 董增辰師父太極推手練法