Superman renounces US citizenship.

Omar B said:
I love that you fixate on the "how" he is a citizen part of the alien living god story. I would hate to watch a movie like Beastmaster with you, fuy born from a cow but you would fixate on the who really owns the cow part.

But yeah, small town in the country, where most births are at home. Sure the town doctor/midwife/whoever else is involed in such paperwork would see to him having the necessary paper ... so yeah he is a citizen. Fact is it happened even if it was fraudulent and a few people in town know. Small town hide big secrets.
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Bad example. The cow was just a surrogate, not the mother.

I was not aware that they changed the story of Superman's origin. Makes you wonder what else they're not telling us about. Awfully suspicious there, "Kal El", if that is indeed your name.
 
It was not changed, just updated and clarified. The whole mild mannered thing was thrown out because an award winning reporter working for one of the biggest papers in the world is no shrinking violet. They made him a strong confident man.

They also made the Kents much younger so they could actually be parents. In the original his dad died at 16 and his mother at 22. So he was alone in the world with his secret, now he's got his family as a sounding board and support. Originally he didn't even go to college, he just showed up at the Planet when he was 32 with articles and Perry hired him, in the current version he went to college and traveled the world doing freelance work till the Planet snapped him up.

Notice how the TV shows Lois & Clark didn't have a nerd Clark or dead parents, nor does Smallville. Because they are working off the version of the story that started in the 80's. While Superman Returns because it follows the original 70's Donner movies they had to maintain the nerd Clark and such.
 
CoryKS said:
Bad example. The cow was just a surrogate, not the mother.

I was not aware that they changed the story of Superman's origin. Makes you wonder what else they're not telling us about. Awfully suspicious there, "Kal El", if that is indeed your name.
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I never thought I would say this, but I gotta watch Beastmaster again.
 
bwahahahahahahaha... guy moments....




anyhow, back to SUPERMAN....

mild mannered don't get you far these days...
 
No way dude, you can't keep a good man down. Since his resurrection (even more christ allusions, which are intended) he has beaten several clones of Doomsday. At this point he's the most powerful he has ever been.

At some point he grows so powerful he moves into the sun ... or if you follow Grant Morrison's story he actually keeps the damn thing running (Atlas allusions intended).

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I've been rolling this one around in my head for a bit.

Nope. Don't like it.

Ok, Batman, I can see the whole Inc. story line. He's basically looking for a way to extend his reach, keep his mission going when he's no longer there to do it, and solve some of those identity issues. He's not moving to England, he's looking for an English crime fighter who is comparable with his ideals, to fund, train and extend his coverage. He's basically building a Batman Army. It works.

But the whole "Superman's for the world" thing.....no. Sorry. Superman IS and American icon. He wears the American colors, and was born at a time when America was a shining beacon to the world. When America was the 'must goto' destination of the worlds hopeful. This...is a turning away from that all, little more to me than yet another attempt to dilute, apologize, distance from failed politics and bad PR. I expect it will backfire on DC. What next, Wonder Woman switches to a new uniform that's all black spandex and also drops the RWB?
 
It remains to be seen, but I'm surprised you capitalists are forgetting that DC is a business, not a political activist group. Their job is to make money and sell comic books first. Anything else is extra.
 
Good points guys. My whole thing about Superman's status as an American icon is this, I was a huge Superman fan growing up, even before my family moved to the US. I was there every Saturday after karate at the comic shop buying my Superman, Batman, Flash, Green Lantern and Hulk (for some reason as a kid I really loved Hulk, go figure).

In the comics he has always been depicted as a savior for the world and even the universe several times. Maybe like Bruce stepping aside as Batman leaving the role to his protege and son so he can use his business acumen at running a big machine to expand his mission. I think just like that Superman might just be stepping up and finally saying, this is bigger than Metropolis, Kansas and even the US as a whole.

I totally understand how people can be upset about it. I am too, really. But I try to see it from the other side. It kinda works in the context of the story and it will sell issues for DC. At this point Batman is the highest selling character in comics and coming up on a new Superman movie they have to start pushing the character forward again, put him in the public eye. Just like how the Clark and Lois wedding in the comic coincided with the TV show Lois and Clark.
 
stevebjj said:
It remains to be seen, but I'm surprised you capitalists are forgetting that DC is a business, not a political activist group. Their job is to make money and sell comic books first. Anything else is extra.
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:lfao:

(so there goes the communist argument...)
 
Omar B said:
At this point he's the most powerful he has ever been.
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Hmm. Nope, not quite. I recall a story from the 60's in which Myxyzptlik made Supes sneeze. For safety's sake, he flew to another solar system before letting loose. The sneeze destroyed all of the planets (uninhabited) in the system. He's not that powerful (or that fast) today.
 
Yeah, but that was back in the day when they did silly stuff like super sneezes.

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But in modern times they have upped his power levels to levels just as high as back then. Just not the silly ones. He's more of a bruiser now.
 
I do kinda wonder what's going on in the comic book world...

American Icon Captain America? Killed.

American Icon Superman? Giving up "The American Way" for world Citizenship

Gi Joe, a Real American Hero? Became the International Task Force.

There is a definate trend going on here I think...
 
Cryozombie said:
I do kinda wonder what's going on in the comic book world...

American Icon Captain America? Killed.

American Icon Superman? Giving up "The American Way" for world Citizenship

Gi Joe, a Real American Hero? Became the International Task Force.

There is a definate trend going on here I think...
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Dagnabbit, gotta change your red white and blue for the baby blue and white of the UN?

:D

No man is an island....and the world is growing smaller.
 
I agree, Superman was always "truth, justice and the American way". But, he has always maitained that he was there to help whoever needed it from evil.

Having him renounce his US citizenship is kind of a slap in the face. It's another effort to have a world gov't and not recognize or have pride in your country.
 
punisher73 said:
I agree, Superman was always "truth, justice and the American way". But, he has always maitained that he was there to help whoever needed it from evil.

Having him renounce his US citizenship is kind of a slap in the face. It's another effort to have a world gov't and not recognize or have pride in your country.
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maybe he is just fed up with the partisan crud...
 
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