something stupid... very stupid

[shaolinmonkmark]

i honestly thought it was a "Type-o" on his end, but none the less, understood what he was typing.

 

[MA-Caver]

Last night at kenpo class my sensei told me a bad thing that happened to his instructor, a 19 years old brown belt.

Sensei told me some days ago his instructor went to a local bar with some friends and have some drinks.... well a little more than a some drinks. When living the place some scumbag trowed an ice cube to a friend of the instructor so he went to the scumbag in a very stupid way to fight him.

The scumbag smashed his glass in the face on the kenpoist and cut him very bad in the face and then the friends of the SOB kicked the instructors in the floor viciously.

The instructor got 45 stiches on his face and he is recovering from his injuries at home.

I was amazed cause I Know the instructor and yes he's a nice kid maybe a little loquacious but he's not a bad person.

This is a real story we must learn about it, MA and alcohol does not mix.

Manny

I'm not a kenpoist and I already knew the amazing super power inducing effects of alcohol.
Definitely stupid very stupid. Also bad form for the instructor to actually start a fight. A very good example he sets yes?

I'll go a step further and say that drinking to inebriation is never a good idea. The thing about MA is, if you're concerned enough about your safety to invest such an amount of time, money, and energy to learning how to defend yourself, why would you deliberately put yourself in a situation where you have limited control of your faculties?

What he said.

Mickey Spillane in one of his Mike Hammer novels called "The Girl Hunters" once said, "Judo and Karate are fine as long as everything is going your way, but a good right-cross can wipe out all of that if it gets there first."

Amen to that. Spillane was one of those rare writers that had actually experienced some of the environments & people he wrote about

The problem that many martial artists have is not understanding that techniques are expressions of concepts, they are not the concepts themselves. Thundering Hammers (or whatever) isn't going to help you when someone attacks you with a beer mug etc. Brown belts don't often get that because they're still too busy learning the techniques to get to black belt. they're used to playing by the dojo rules and haven't learned to adjust to reality when someone isn't following those rules.

Agreed, when I was a uke for a budding Kenpoist I noticed those things too. I kept mentally applying real-world techs (if you will) as counter-moves to what the kenpoist was applying to me. I could SEE how they would be devestating without question... provided the kenpoist does it very hard and very fast before any of those counters can come into play... otherwise they're screwed if they don't have counters for the counters. Adaptation is very important and yes I was told that Kenpo teaches that... one has to be a quick minded individual or honed in their art to make those quick adjustments.

This fellow was damn lucky that it wasn't someone that preferred just stabbing him with a knife.

A jagged beer mug makes just as an effective weapon, even more deadly if the handle stays intact.

Sure it is. That's part of what it's for. Just do like I do:

Do it at home/

And a big AMEN to the gentleman that said that!!

Yep. You have no idea how many bullets have bounced off of my chest.

Were they dum-dums? :lol:

 

[Dirty Dog]

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A jagged beer mug makes just as an effective weapon, even more deadly if the handle stays intact.

I'm going to disagree with this statement. I cannot count how many wound repairs I've done over the years and I will say categorically that stab wounds are vastly more dangerous than cuts. The broken beer mug/bottle will leave a much more impressive scar, and will occassionally get you a trip to the OR if we have to call plastics for the repair. But a stab wound to the torso or neck virtually gaurantees you'll be heading to the OR. I can only recall once sending someone to the OR for life threatening injuries from a mug or bottle. The guy got hit over the head with a magnum sized bottle (very thick glass...) and had a subdural hematoma.

 

[MA-Caver]

I'm going to disagree with this statement. I cannot count how many wound repairs I've done over the years and I will say categorically that stab wounds are vastly more dangerous than cuts. The broken beer mug/bottle will leave a much more impressive scar, and will occasionally get you a trip to the OR if we have to call plastics for the repair. But a stab wound to the torso or neck virtually guarantees you'll be heading to the OR. I can only recall once sending someone to the OR for life threatening injuries from a mug or bottle. The guy got hit over the head with a magnum sized bottle (very thick glass...) and had a subdural hematoma.

I'm not upset that you are disagreeing but my question is have you seen how some beer mugs have looked after being smashed? especially near around the handle themselves.
Incidentally... I never said anything about cutting, though at the right place and deep enough.... A jagged edge of a broken glass bottle or beer mug (again) makes an effective stabbing weapon and more so when the handle is intact (more force applied to drive the glass deeper with the added ability to twist and BREAK a piece off inside if you're lucky.
Bust a few of those good heavy mugs (with hand protection) on a brick wall and see what results can occur.
:asian:

 

[Manny]

So, your Sensei's teacher is a 19 year old brown belt?

Nope, my sensei is a 3 Dan Black Blet, he has one black belt that trains under him and when the sensei is not in dojo, this brown belt takes charge of the class.

My classmates are one or two purple belts, two green belts and yeloow belts and the beginers like myself.

Manny

 

[Manny]

Nope, my sensei is a 3 Dan Black Blet, he has one black belt that trains under him and when the sensei is not in dojo, this brown belt takes charge of the class.

My classmates are one or two purple belts, two green belts and yeloow belts and the beginers like myself.

Manny

Sorry again my sensei is a 3dan black belt, he has one brown belt student and the times the sensei is not in the dojo this brown belt takes charge of the class.

Manny

 

[Dirty Dog]

I'm not upset that you are disagreeing but my question is have you seen how some beer mugs have looked after being smashed? especially near around the handle themselves.
Incidentally... I never said anything about cutting, though at the right place and deep enough.... A jagged edge of a broken glass bottle or beer mug (again) makes an effective stabbing weapon and more so when the handle is intact (more force applied to drive the glass deeper with the added ability to twist and BREAK a piece off inside if you're lucky.
Bust a few of those good heavy mugs (with hand protection) on a brick wall and see what results can occur.
:asian:

In 30 years in the ER, I'm pretty sure I've seen the full range of wounds. And in that time, I have never seen anybody with life threatening wounds (other than the single subdural, in which case the bottle did not even break) from a broken bottle or mug. Terrible scars, yes. Life threatening, no. Not even one.
A stab wound from a knife, even a small one, is more dangerous than any cut I have ever seen from a broken bottle/mug.

 

[elder999]

In 30 years in the ER, I'm pretty sure I've seen the full range of wounds. And in that time, I have never seen anybody with life threatening wounds (other than the single subdural, in which case the bottle did not even break) from a broken bottle or mug. Terrible scars, yes. Life threatening, no. Not even one.
A stab wound from a knife, even a small one, is more dangerous than any cut I have ever seen from a broken bottle/mug.

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.:

Memphis police investigate beer bottle stabbing death

Teacher stabbed himself to death while high on magic mushrooms (WTF???!)

]Man is jailed for bottle stabbing

Fatal stabbing: Local man gets 10 years

Man due in court over tourist's death

All these bottle stabbings are just part of the over 1 million google hits.......


Jamaican stripper arrested for murdering fellow dancer with broken bottle.

Teen stabs father to death with bottle

B.P. man allegedly used beer bottle in stabbing

 

[Dirty Dog]

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.:

I didn't mean to imply that it never happens. I meant exactly what I said, which is that stab wounds are far more dangerous than cuts. And that broken bottles/mugs are far more likely to be use to cut than to stab. I would much rather face someone wielding a broken bottle than a knife. And if I must face someone wielding a knife, I hope they try to cut me, rather than stab me.

As for your google results... did you know that if you google "elvis" & "aliens" you will find some 2.5 million hits connecting Elvis to space aliens?

 

[Danjo]

A jagged beer mug makes just as an effective weapon, even more deadly if the handle stays intact.

Could be, depending on how it was used. My point was really that if someone was into using knives, then they would likely be aiming to kill. Whereas, if they are hitting you in th eface with a beer mug, then they are likely not trying to kill you, but rather reacting in anger and fighting dirty.

 

[TenTigers]

Running joke in my old school among the instructors:

Stub a toe, walk into a chair, slip on ice outside, etc.

"Good thing I'm a Black Belt . . . that could have killed a lesser man . . .
"

I like that, and will be quoting you from now on! (good writers borrow, great writers steal!)
I do something similar. When I trip or do something completely klutzy, I say,"Years of Martial Arts training has given me a Cat-like grace!"

 

[TenTigers]

You could fall down the stairs and your judo won't help you then, fella. You know why? Because you're besotted! My God man, just look at yourself.

my teacher's training brother-"Uncle David" is 82 yrs old. Last year, he fell down an entire flight of stairs-including a winding part at the end-a second floor walk-up in Bed-Sty, NY. The guy got up and except for a lump on his head and some assorted bruises, was ok, and went to his evening Rhumba class that night!
Last week, he fell off a scaffold while sheetrocking his ceiling, and still came into Sunday's Shuai Jiao class!
Whenever I am teaching breakalls, I tell my students that this is the most important lesson they will ever learn.
"You may never get into a fight, but you will always fall."
-and if you live in NY, or anywhere there's snow,slush, and ice, you will fall often.

 

[TenTigers]

As for your google results... did you know that if you google "elvis" & "aliens" you will find some 2.5 million hits connecting Elvis to space aliens?

well, you've seen Elvis' Kenpo skillz. Where do you think he got his black belt?

 

[Dirty Dog]

Could be, depending on how it was used. My point was really that if someone was into using knives, then they would likely be aiming to kill. Whereas, if they are hitting you in th eface with a beer mug, then they are likely not trying to kill you, but rather reacting in anger and fighting dirty.

Again, my experience causes me to differ. Most of the knife wounds we see are slashes, for the simple reason (I suspect) that most of the people using the knives do not really know how to fight with a knife.

I treated a guy saturday night who had no less than 25 knife wounds. Mostly to his arm, but several on the torso. Chest CT showed that not a single one penetrated past the subcutaneous tissues. At that point, I spent about 45 minutes stapling things closed and we sent him home.

Had even one of those chest wounds been a stab, he'd not have been discharged. And may well have died before he got to the ER.

It's always safest to assume that your attacker is armed, trained, and willing to kill you. In most cases, I would prefer to face an armed but untrained attacker.