windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
This is backwards. Boxers are not the ones trying to enter into CMA competitions to prove what they do is relevant .
Some CMA styles do not use the idea of grab and pull
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Some CMA & combat thoughts...
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This is backwards. Boxers are not the ones trying to enter into CMA competitions to prove what they do is relevant .
Some CMA styles do not use the idea of grab and pull
You repeatedly say this despite being told, "In boxing, a punch is not just a punch." A boxing punch can be followed by a grab/pull. A punch can frame, control, grab, defend, lead, ask for a reaction, set up, measure, etc. Evidently, YDKAB.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
@Appledog
Another book I would recommend is
Yiquan 360: Internal Factors and Training Concepts for All Internal Art by Ling Seto
But I will say what he writes you may find applies to more than just Yiquan
What do you mean "backwards"? Should CMA remove kicking/grappling in order to enter boxing match?
The correct progress is:
punching -> kicking/punching -> kicking/punching/grappling
It should not be the other way around.
It doesn't take part in training unless it's specific to fighting, getting stronger, and defeating the opponent in the context of strategy. Striker vs Grappler or System A vs System B. The philosophy of getting into the opponent's or enemies mind such has presenting oneself as a superior force. Other than stuff like that it's not needed. It's easy to tell when it's needed because the never talk about fighting the opponent or the enemy.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
If it's a "boxing" match why would they not do so ?
Boxing, BJJ, SANDA, and MMA are often used as testing grounds for practitioners of various styles, including CMA, to test and prove their effectiveness. In some cases, modifications are required to fit within the rule sets of these sports.
In my experience with those who boxed, I agreed not to use kicks. The long-arm techniques practiced in Tibetan White Crane (TWC) coupled with the foot work, provided me with a significant advantage.
Funny story...
A guy who was a wrestler wanted to try his skill on me..
His approach
Before he got in range to grapple I did what is called a cup choy "掬捶" (jū chuí)"
stopping at the bridge of his nose..not breaking it, as I should have..
Normally its done with a back hand "wing flap" preceding it,
followed up by what ever hand is appropriate for the situation.
In this case I stopped it...a friendly testing encounter....with another GI
both with some down time, waiting for war...
He looked up, laughed, picked me up and threw me...
Learned something, that day....
Grapplers can cover ground quite fast in an unorthodox way..
Kill the arms first, if you don't want to hurt them..
Back in the day did a lot of "testing"
good times, even when getting banged up at times..
Whata gonna do,,live for ever
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windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
for those interested..
An interesting entry.. automatically cuts kicks from being used against it.
An interesting entry.. automatically cuts kicks from being used against it.
In Chinese wrestling (or Sanda), this skill has disadvantage. In Chinese wrestling (or Sanda), any 2 points of your body besides your feet touch the ground, you lose that round. If one of your knees touches the ground, all your opponent need is to force your other knee (or one of your elbows. or hands) to touch the ground and that round will be over. In 1982 National SC tournament, during the final, my opponent was a wrestler from the Ohio State University wrestling team. He attacked me twice by single leg, I dragged him down on the ground twice and I won that final. Both rounds lasted for only 8 seconds each. That was the easiest rounds that I ever had in my tournament experience.
When this happen in this picture, that round is over.
I just comment on Marvin8's statement, "XingYi should learn from boxing". I think boxing also should learn from CMA too.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Rule sets based on your background.
For those I sparred with during testing, we just sparred with an 'anything goes' approach, except for those who boxed. We stopped if one got too banged up to continue or if both felt it was time to stop. It wasn't about winning as much as 'testing.'
Was never interested in tournament competitions for sparring or fighting, although I did help others prepare for some full-contact matches by acting as a sparring partner.
In Germany a long, long time ago 'cold war,' we used to go to a park in Frankfurt. Five MA guys—one would walk around the park, and the others would ambush the person walking. Another way of testing..
Used to run a small CMA gym long ago.
The tournament scene was a tradition for most MA gyms in the area, a training goal for some of the gym members. A good way to meet others and show your work for those who wanted to.
A guy from China, a wushu coach, lost a staff set competition. He never competed again, saying the judges didn’t know what they were judging.
He was really good, should have won it.
As you may know, sometimes it really depends on the level of the judges.
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Same Trick
Blue Belt
“But if you could see what the real taijiquan masters - those who can issue real power - are practicing in secret, you will understand.”
It was posted in another thread the story that Yang Chengfu when he realized he had to take his TJQ seriously he hired a big strongman to spar with - think a kind of Inspector Clouseau/Cato relation.
It was posted in another thread the story that Yang Chengfu when he realized he had to take his TJQ seriously he hired a big strongman to spar with - think a kind of Inspector Clouseau/Cato relation.
