ok...i guess i misunderstood what was going on..we've got stuff like that in judo...but the emphasis isn't as strong on passing/defeating the guard...especially for competition..because there is a short amount of time you have to get something...otherwise the ref stands you back up and you go at it again..also...groundfighting in judo usually results from a throw or failed attempt at one...combined with the lack of striking....there's not a whole lof of fighting from the guard...not that i've seen at least...