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IIRC, the trouble from inbreeding comes after many generations, see pure bred dogs, European royals...
Marriage between cousins are becoming a problem in some communities here, especially when the parents and grandparents have married their cousins too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4442010.stm
Silly! Unless you got a talking pencil....
Cop out argument.
There are reasons for not allowing close relatives to be married.
I give you the underage one, since in the not so recent past 14 was considered a good age for a girl to be married. But then again this is were your argument bites itself in the tail and chases it: We do no longer consider 14 year olds or even 16 to be of age to consent. Part of the changing definitions.
Not a cop out argument, just something that you choose to not address.
I could just as easily argue that there are reasons for not allowing homosexuals to be married. You wouldn't allow me to just say that "there are reasons", would you.
it has been shown it's over blown? I do have a great interest in those things and no matter were I turn the consensus is in terms of reproduction that you don't pair first degree relatives. But let's leave it at that.And now, as has been shown, the reasons for such taboos, ostensibly off-spring issues, has apparently been overblown. So now what say you. What is the legitimate reason to keep these people from being married?
LOL, touche.And even if it wasn't, what would give you the right to keep two people in love from being married, if that really is the issue here. Not to try to get off on a tangent, but even if they decided to have children, who are you to interfere with a woman's reproductive rights?
Well, it has been brought up in the numoerus of tangend silly arguments about dogs and pencils. There is a limit below which one can reasonably assume there can't be educated consent.And age has never been an issue associated with the definition of marriage. That has to do with a morality issue. The basics of marriage have always constituted one man and one woman.
Well, I said it a couple of times, the risks associated with reproduction of closely related individuals. And it seems it's been an apparent factor early on in civilazation because as far as I can tell every culture has that Taboo.
(and Elder, just because some do shag does not diminish the risk )
it has been shown it's over blown? I do have a great interest in those things and no matter were I turn the consensus is in terms of reproduction that you don't pair first degree relatives. But let's leave it at that.
And no, age has always been an issue of marriage. While children have been routinely promised to each other, the actual consumation does not take place until the parties have reach puberty. Which is, last I checked, an age thing.
-I read through about 6 pages of this thread and then my eyes started to glaze over, so forgive me if I'm repeating something or someone.
-I understand tradition and roughly understand how things developed in the world and in the United States but when did someone or some group purchase the word or concept of 'marriage'? The impression I get from some is that they own the concept, therefore they can say how it applies to the world. Sure, some traditions have been around for centuries or more, but they also can change.
-When people get married, should they pay royalties somewhere? Copyright fee?
Andrew
For all purposes, the gov't 'purchased' marriage when it started to tie a lot of fiscal and legal dependencies to it. Proponents of same-sex marriage want to be afforded the same rights.
But it's more than tax laws. It's also about legal status. Next of kin, survivor benefits, etc. To prove that you need a simple, accepted document. A marriage certificate does that.
You can use contracts, wills and power of attorney to accomplish the same things.
For example, next of kin issues can be accomplished with adoption. Considering that a homosexual couple can't conceive a baby anyway, adoption is about the only option.
Survivor's benefits can be done through private contract. A lot of businesses are recognizing same sex marriage for such things anyway, all without the intervention of the government.
You can use contracts, wills and power of attorney to accomplish the same things.
For example, next of kin issues can be accomplished with adoption. Considering that a homosexual couple can't conceive a baby anyway, adoption is about the only option.
Survivor's benefits can be done through private contract. A lot of businesses are recognizing same sex marriage for such things anyway, all without the intervention of the government.
If my spouse is in the hospital, my marriage certificate proves my legal status. It's easy. If I show with any other document, the family could contest it.