Priorities: Chick-Fil-A, Starbucks, & the Economy

[Cryozombie]

The CEO of Chick-Fil-A has spoken his mind-the consequences are that other people's opinion's differ, and they can express them as well-and with their wallets. They can also express it by asking others to do so.

I agree with this 100%

But tell me if I am wrong to think it's ok to call ******** on the people who are doing so after expressing how stupid,wrong, and narrow minded the people calling for the boycott of Oreo were for doing the exact same thing...

 

[elder999]

I agree with this 100%

But tell me if I am wrong to think it's ok to call ******** on the people who are doing so after expressing how stupid,wrong, and narrow minded the people calling for the boycott of Oreo were for doing the exact same thing...

Can't have one without the other-of course, the media has a lot to do with this, but-and this is the bottom line-the Chick-Fil-A position, and the position of those who called for a boycott of Oreo, is rapidly becoming the minority narrative, if not minority position in this country. Consequently, it gets shouted down-especially since most of its justifications are either arbitrarily based on religion or revulsion, and thus simply illogical to most Americans, who really, really, really don't care what anyone else does, and don't see how it affects them.

 

[bluewaveschool]

Oreos are far more tasty than CFA, so no one gave a crap. Also, the Prez of Nabisco wasn't on TV going 'I support the gays so much I give them millions each year!' They just quietly do their thing and go on. I think if the Prez of Nabsico had done that, there would have been much more outcry.

As for denying CFA permits to build based on past actions... that depends on state laws. Federal law does not protect gays, some states do. If CFA willingly discriminated against homosexual employees becoming managers, or denied potential franchise owners based on being homosexual, then those states can (and should) bring the hammer down for violating the law. Kentucky does not offer such protections, they can discriminate all they want here.

 

[ballen0351]

The president of chick fila wasn't on TV saying he supports traditional marriage either he gave an interview to a Christian paper and the national news grabbed it took parts out of context and ran with it. If you read the entire interview he was talking about how there are no Christian companies only Christian people. Jesus didn't die for a company. He was then asked about gay marriage and replied he believed in the traditional family of a man and woman. So he didn't bring it up or even mention it until he was asked by a reporter. He answered honestly and didn't try to blow smoke like most people now days

 

[Tgace]

The president of chick fila wasn't on TV saying he supports traditional marriage either he gave an interview to a Christian paper and the national news grabbed it took parts out of context and ran with it. If you read the entire interview he was talking about how there are no Christian companies only Christian people. Jesus didn't die for a company. He was then asked about gay marriage and replied he believed in the traditional family of a man and woman. So he didn't bring it up or even mention it until he was asked by a reporter. He answered honestly and didn't try to blow smoke like most people now days

Well...that must make you a hater and your business needs to be boycotted into failure I guess....

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[Wo Fat]

I still don't get why everyone needs to agree with everyone. Why can't people dislike things we have gotten so PC you can't speak your mind anymore . People hate me just because of the uniform I wear to work but I don't care if your gay get thicker skin why care what others think its your life be happy. At least chick fila let's you know how they feel up front so you can choose to go there or not. That's better then giving money to someone that's smiles to your face and flips you off when you turn your back.

Nothing wrong with freedom of speech; i.e., disagreeing with each other. The concern is that some want to make freedom of speech the same as freedom of association.
Title VII has a lot to say about freedom of association when it comes to hiring, firing and promoting.

 

[ballen0351]

Nothing wrong with freedom of speech; i.e., disagreeing with each other. The concern is that some want to make freedom of speech the same as freedom of association.
Title VII has a lot to say about freedom of association when it comes to hiring, firing and promoting.

I've never seen any evidence chick fila discriminates against anyone. If its out there please show it.

 

[Big Don]

I've never seen any evidence chick fila discriminates against anyone. If its out there please show it.

Tolerance and the appearance of impropriety are both one way streets apparently...

 

[Wo Fat]

I've never seen any evidence chick fila discriminates against anyone. If its out there please show it.

Show it? Like a full page newspaper ad saying "gays need not apply"? Seriously, I've not concluded that they do discriminate (and I've said as much in several of my posts that it's fair to at least investigate their management hiring and franchise awarding practices to be sure).

Beyond that, Bob Hubbard has offered plausible, if not anecdotal evidence that Chick-Fil-A does not hire openly gay or lesbian owners and managers.

 

[ballen0351]

Show it? Like a full page newspaper ad saying "gays need not apply"? Seriously, I've not concluded that they do discriminate (and I've said as much in several of my posts that it's fair to at least investigate their management hiring and franchise awarding practices to be sure).

Beyond that, Bob Hubbard has offered plausible, if not anecdotal evidence that Chick-Fil-A does not hire openly gay or lesbian owners and managers.

“The Chick-fil-A culture and service tradition in our restaurants is to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender,” the company said in a statement released by its corporate headquarters in Atlanta
The statement goes on to say that Chick-fil-A is a “family-owned and family-led” company founded by Truett Cathy that is managed on “biblically based principles” that include “closing on Sundays, operating debt-free and devoting a percentage of our profits back to our communities.”


Yep sounds evil to me shut them down

 

[Steve]

I've never seen any evidence chick fila discriminates against anyone. If its out there please show it.

Would be pretty stupid, considering its illegal to discriminate based in sexual orientation in many areas of the country, not to mention the other nationally protected categories. Kind of a pointless request. Isn't it?


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[Big Don]

Defining Religious Liberty Down

By ROSS DOUTHAT
NY TIMES EXCERPT:
Published: July 28, 2012

THE words “freedom of belief” do not appear in the First Amendment. Nor do the words “freedom of worship.” Instead, the Bill of Rights guarantees Americans something that its authors called “the free exercise” of religion.


It’s a significant choice of words, because it suggests a recognition that religious faith cannot be reduced to a purely private or individual affair. Most religious communities conceive of themselves as peoples or families, and the requirements of most faiths extend well beyond attendance at a sabbath service — encompassing charity and activism, education and missionary efforts, and other “exercises” that any guarantee of religious freedom must protect.

I cannot improve upon the way the first lady of the United States explained this issue, speaking recently to a conference of the African Methodist Episcopal Church. “Our faith journey isn’t just about showing up on Sunday,” Michelle Obama said. “It’s about what we do Monday through Saturday as well ... Jesus didn’t limit his ministry to the four walls of the church. He was out there fighting injustice and speaking truth to power every single day.”
But Mrs. Obama’s words notwithstanding, there seems to be a great deal of confusion about this point in the Western leadership class today.
<<SNIP>>
But they cannot be exercised in ways that might deny, say, employer-provided sterilizations to people who really don’t want kids. Nor can they be exercised to deny one’s offspring the kind of sexual gratification that anti-circumcision advocates claim the procedure makes impossible. They certainly cannot be exercised in ways that might make anyone uncomfortable with his or her own sexual choices or identity.
It may seem strange that anyone could look around the pornography-saturated, fertility-challenged, family-breakdown-plagued West and see a society menaced by a repressive puritanism. But it’s clear that this perspective is widely and sincerely held.
It would be refreshing, though, if it were expressed honestly, without the “of course we respect religious freedom” facade.
If you want to fine Catholic hospitals for following Catholic teaching, or prevent Jewish parents from circumcising their sons, or ban Chick-fil-A in Boston, then don’t tell religious people that you respect our freedoms. Say what you really think: that the exercise of our religion threatens all that’s good and decent, and that you’re going to use the levers of power to bend us to your will.
There, didn’t that feel better? Now we can get on with the fight.
END EXCERPT
Surprised to see that in the NY Times...

 

[ballen0351]

Would be pretty stupid, considering its illegal to discriminate based in sexual orientation in many areas of the country, not to mention the other nationally protected categories. Kind of a pointless request. Isn't it?


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Wouldn't be the first company to get in trouble for discrimination. Some on here have no problem making suggestions to illegal employment practices I was just curious if there were any proof or lawsuits out there against them I couldn't find any.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Only ones I could find on a quick check

Former Chick-Fil-A employee Brenda Honeycutt is suing Chick-Fil-A for wrongful termination based on gender discrimination. According to a lawsuit which is circulating today on Twitter, on June 27, 2011, owner and operator of Duluth, GA&#8217;s Chick-Fil-A restaurants Jeff Howard terminated Honeycutt, whose employee performance was satisfactory-to-above satisfactory, so that she could be a &#8220;stay home mother.&#8221; Honeycutt was terminated by Howard after meetings with restaurant management (during which she was not present), and was replaced by a male employee. The lawsuit cites a pattern of discrimination against female employees, who, after being terminated, were also replaced by male employees in Northern Georgia&#8217;s Chick-Fil-A restaurants.

http://www.glaad.org/blog/chick-fil-sued-gender-discrimination

The women allege in their lawsuit that when they complained to the restaurant's owner, Mandy Medlin, they were ignored. They also claim Chick-fil-A's corporate headquarters ignored their complaints and instead of taking action to stop the harassment, the three of the women were fired.

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ks...arassed-at-chickfila-20120105,0,2055463.story

A Muslim former employee of a Christian-based fast-food chain has sued the company claiming religious bias. In a lawsuit filed Monday, Houston resident Aziz Latif, 25, said Chick-fil-A's Christian stance runs deeper than simply being closed on Sundays, "The Houston Chronicle" reported.


Latif alleges that the Atlanta-based chain's corporate purpose to glorify God discriminates against its non-Christian employees. Latif claims he was fired a day after he refused to pray to Jesus during a training session in November 2000.

The lawsuit said a week before his firing, an evaluation reportedly praised Latif as a "great manager" who knew the "operation side of the business very well." He accuses the company of refusing to pay his medical bills and expenses incurred while a participant in Chick-fil-A's employee benefit plan. Latif - who was hired in 1996 -- is seeking reinstatement and damages for emotional distress, attorney's fees and back pay. Jerry Johnston, a spokesman for Chick-fil-A, said the company's well-known religious credo does not infringe upon employees' rights, the "Chronicle" reported.

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2002/10/Muslim-Sues-Chick-Fil-A-For-Discrimination.aspx



Rather small number in my opinion.


How to get your own Chik Fil A franchise

[h=4]Step 4[/h]Play an active role in your church. Chick-fil-A's owners are devout Christians and expect all of their operators to share Christian values. Operators do not need to be Christian, but must be willing to close the restaurant on Sundays, espouse Christian values and be willing to participate in group prayers during training and management meetings.

[h=4]Step 5[/h]Be willing to undergo a very long vetting process. Some potential operators must undergo dozens of interviews over the course of a year or more before gaining approval. Chick-fil-A will also interview members of a potential operator's family.

[h=4]Step 6[/h]Disclose your marital status. Chick-fil-A founder and chairman S. Truett Cathy prefers franchise operators who are married and requires all candidates to be open about the state of their relationship. One-third of all Chick-fil-A operators have attended Christian relationship-building retreats at the urging of the company. Cathy notes that he would probably terminate the contract of an operator who had done something sinful or harmful to his family.

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/approved-open-chickfila-11450.html

The official reason the gay couple was rejected?
"We don't feel that you have the business dedication/ your backup funding appears to be inadequate / You don't have prior experience/..."

They will never say "you can't have it because you're a pagan homosexual high priestess and her living in sin heathen harlot". That would get them a lawsuit and they are smarter than that. There is -always- another reason you can dig up to disguise.

 

[ballen0351]

Only ones I could find on a quick check
http://www.glaad.org/blog/chick-fil-sued-gender-discrimination


http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ks...arassed-at-chickfila-20120105,0,2055463.story

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2002/10/Muslim-Sues-Chick-Fil-A-For-Discrimination.aspx

1st guy if he really fired her so she could be a stay at home mom is a moron and should be fired
2nd one you have woman claiming sexual harassment against a female owner
A muslim upset over christan values in a christan business kinda like a chevy fan taking a job at the ford dealer that gets upset he needs to work on fords

Rather small number in my opinion.

I agree for the number of stores. I personally have been sued more then 3 times so far as a cop.

How to get your own Chik Fil A franchise
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/approved-open-chickfila-11450.html

The official reason the gay couple was rejected?
"We don't feel that you have the business dedication/ your backup funding appears to be inadequate / You don't have prior experience/..."

They will never say "you can't have it because you're a pagan homosexual high priestess and her living in sin heathen harlot". That would get them a lawsuit and they are smarter than that. There is -always- another reason you can dig up to disguise.

We applied for a Chick Fila about 5 years ago and we were told the same thing we didnt have enough business background. They adivsed us to take some classes and try again. 3 years later someone opend a store up where we wanted to and its PACKED all day its one of the top stores in the state.

 

[Wo Fat]

1st guy if he really fired her so she could be a stay at home mom is a moron and should be fired
2nd one you have woman claiming sexual harassment against a female owner
A muslim upset over christan values in a christan business kinda like a chevy fan taking a job at the ford dealer that gets upset he needs to work on fords


I agree for the number of stores. I personally have been sued more then 3 times so far as a cop.



We applied for a Chick Fila about 5 years ago and we were told the same thing we didnt have enough business background. They adivsed us to take some classes and try again. 3 years later someone opend a store up where we wanted to and its PACKED all day its one of the top stores in the state.

Your last point is on point. Chick-Fil-A has a great business model, and some of the individual owners are absolutely great people. Not saying that you weren't qualified as a franchisee; just saying that they are understandably demanding in who they award franchises to.

As to the lawsuits ... it's not surprising that there are some. Every large business that's open to the public and is integrated, will likely face some kind of employment discrimination suits. And they won't all be frivolous. Some of the suits will have merit.

Your analogy about the Muslim American employee is interesting. On the one hand, CFA has said that they are not a "Christian business" but that they espouse "Christian values". Yet any follower of Christ knows that you do not demand a non-believer to pray. You especially don't demand that he or she pray in exchange for something of value (like their job).

Ironically, when it comes to employee treatment it may be Chick-Fil-A that needs a strong lesson on "Christian values".

 

[Tgace]

The ultimate lesson here...if you are a business owner, don't voice your opinion on religion or sexual politics. Regardless of how you try to frame it you will be targeted by the media and your opinion reframed as "hate".


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[Tgace]

Bear with me, this is just a thought experiment...and a question, because I honestly don't know the business legalities of the following.

If I wanted to start a coffee shop called "Christs Cafe" and I served "Crucifiction Cappuccino" with "Basicalla Brownies" in an atmosphere with stained glass windows, Christian Music playing, Bibles on the tables and the Pope Channel playing on the television 24/7 would that be legal?

If I employed members of my Church there (as in I only placed help wanted ads in the Church program or announced it at Church functions) would that be legal?

If it became successful and I opened 10 more in my part of the country would that change things?

 

[rickster]

Bear with me, this is just a thought experiment...and a question, because I honestly don't know the business legalities of the following.

If I wanted to start a coffee shop called "Christs Cafe" and I served "Crucifiction Cappuccino" with "Basicalla Brownies" in an atmosphere with stained glass windows, Christian Music playing, Bibles on the tables and the Pope Channel playing on the television 24/7 would that be legal?

If I employed members of my Church there (as in I only placed help wanted ads in the Church program or announced it at Church functions) would that be legal?

If it became successful and I opened 10 more in my part of the country would that change things?

Would you serve Muslims, Neo Nazis, and Atheists?

 

[Tgace]

Would you serve Muslims, Neo Nazis, and Atheists?

Sure...what better way to convert them than when they read the scripture I have printed on all the cups and napkins?