ppko & xequat take a look

[ppko]

1) I am well aware of who he is. One of his flunkys came to my dojo and got “schooled” never to return.



2) Really? I guess so since the guy is standing as still as a lamp post! Also on interest is if you notice the hands being raised up when he is supposedly going “out” …..when people are knocked out they lose such muscular control and lifting your arms would not be possible.



3) Most likely none since the guy hits like a school girl.

1) I am proud that you know who he is, got video tape to back up this claim or even photos, date please
2)Like I said before somtimes you are just stunned or in a daize.

 

[ppko]

Really?? You should look at the mpegs on Dillman's site then.....they all pretty much act like that.

I have said it before Robby (or is it Bob, Bobby, or Rob) sometimes the people are not all the way out or they may only be out for a split second

 

[ppko]

Here are some more mpegs of KOs....from that same site


http://www.kyusho.com/jackieoickle1.wmv

On this site go to "locations" click some place on the map, the area school will pop up and then they usually have a KO mpeg....some of the cheesiest ones are from Europe and the mid-western states...like Ind., Ill, but all of them are just REAL bad. Also of note is the section that says “video clip” were he try to tell people that during a UFC fight one of the fighters used a “kyusho” point to win. I saw that fight it was Gary Goodrich if I am not mistaken and Gary pound the living hell out of the which more than likely was the cause of the KO.

Watch the clip….it’s funny....

http://www.kyusho.com/KItoc.htm

after you have seen those go to this URL, you will find 22 video clips

http://www.dillman.com/videos.asp

The thing that amazaes me is the "KO's" from all the sites have one thing in common. The "attacker" is rarely if ever attacking.....99.99% of the time he is just standing there waiting to get hit. And they all tend to react just like the guy in the very first mpeg I posted..........

Any opinions on that?

And at all times (at least in DKI) when these KOs are filmed they are at a seminar setting, how are people expected to learn anything if we are going full boar. Why don't we see some of your guys video clips I am sure you have some

 

[MJS]

Before this thread gets locked..please keep the discussion at a friendly and respectful level!

Thank you

Mike

 

[Paul Genge]

Whilst training with a friend of mine who is a biomechanic he accidently fell hitting his eye onto my knee. The effect was to KO him for approximately 10 seconds despite the impact not being that great. When I asked him what happened my friend explained that the optical nerve is the shortest one to the brain and that it had probably got jarred by the impact.

It is therefore probale that this is what is happening on this clip.

Paul Genge
http://www.russianmartialart.org.uk

 

[ppko]

Whilst training with a friend of mine who is a biomechanic he accidently fell hitting his eye onto my knee. The effect was to KO him for approximately 10 seconds despite the impact not being that great. When I asked him what happened my friend explained that the optical nerve is the shortest one to the brain and that it had probably got jarred by the impact.

It is therefore probale that this is what is happening on this clip.

Paul Genge
http://www.russianmartialart.org.uk

Thanks for the insight

 

[Shizen Shigoku]

is this a nomination for horror stories? bad budo?

what is being shown? an actual knockout on an undefending person? or a demonstration of what a ko might look like - except that the "victim" / "attacker" took ukemi on the way down (i.e. "acting")

 

[RRouuselot]

1) I am proud that you know who he is, got video tape to back up this claim or even photos, date please
2)Like I said before somtimes you are just stunned or in a daize.

1) You are "proud' that I know him???? OK, what ever....as for video, we had this conversation before.

2) Yes I am aware of that fact. However, even the folks that are supposedly "out" still don't fall like someone who is knocked out.

 

[RRouuselot]

Thanks for the insight

You mean your not going to ask him for video tape, photos, or dates??? :roflmao:

 

[RRouuselot]

And at all times (at least in DKI) when these KOs are filmed they are at a seminar setting,
1) how are people expected to learn anything if we are going full boar.
2) Why don't we see some of your guys video clips I am sure you have some

1) Or a better question might be how are you expected to learn if you don't? Anybody can hit someone if they just stand there....that's easy. Technique needs to be demonstrated with some realism, otherwise you won't know the proper way to move. I think this is the best example of a "worked" technique I have ever seen
http://www.kyusho.com/jackieoickle1.wmv

2) I actually don't have any. When I go a seminar I am usually too busy training to hold a video camera. Do you have any video of you and Xequat?

 

[RRouuselot]

1) is this a nomination for horror stories? bad budo?

2) what is being shown? an actual knockout on an undefending person? or a demonstration of what a ko might look like - except that the "victim" / "attacker" took ukemi on the way down (i.e. "acting")

1) Both!

2) :idunno:

 

[Tgace]

If it was truly "effective", I would say it was more an example of showmanship/magic and/or psychological manipulation far more than it was an example of a fighting technique.

 

[RRouuselot]

If it was truly "effective", I would say it was more an example of showmanship/magic and/or psychological manipulation far more than it was an example of a fighting technique.

I was always under the impression that when demonstrating or practicing technique the “uke” (attacker) was actually supposed to attack. If the “uke” merely stands there and waits for it ANY technique will work. The whole point behind a demonstration is to “demonstrate” that the technique works.

I don't know.....maybe things are different now.

 

[Tgace]

Ive yet to see somebody hit the ground almost unconscious from a slap to the eye. Its a distracter yes, but come on.....

 

[RRouuselot]

Ive yet to see somebody hit the ground almost unconscious from a slap to the eye. Its a distracter yes, but come on.....

I remember seeing Bob Sapp go to the ground in pain after getting a good swat which broke his occipital orb…..didn’t knock him out though.

 

[TigerWoman]

My son, age 17, this Fall got a good hit from a football dead on center to his eye. He had bleeding but thank God, the retina did not detach...nor did he lose consciousness or anything close.

With the before mentioned post, the eye hit in sparring, his retina did detach and that guy also, did not lose consciousness from a heel into his eye. TW

 

[ppko]

1) You are "proud' that I know him???? OK, what ever....as for video, we had this conversation before.

2) Yes I am aware of that fact. However, even the folks that are supposedly "out" still don't fall like someone who is knocked out.

Date please, also you have claimed to had some of Georges students at your school names please

 

[ppko]

1) Or a better question might be how are you expected to learn if you don't? Anybody can hit someone if they just stand there....that's easy. Technique needs to be demonstrated with some realism, otherwise you won't know the proper way to move. I think this is the best example of a "worked" technique I have ever seen
http://www.kyusho.com/jackieoickle1.wmv

2) I actually don't have any. When I go a seminar I am usually too busy training to hold a video camera. Do you have any video of you and Xequat?

2) I would have but the video camera that we was going to borrow broke, and I do not have on of my own

 

[D.Cobb]

Hey Robert, I've hooked up with the Kyusho International guys down here, and none of us will accept it if we can't do it under pressure. A couple of us are from hard hitting styles and we like to play rough. When we go down from light taps we find it so funny that we roll around giggling like school girls.
One of these days we will get the video going, but like you we're to busy training to hold onto a video camera.

--Dave :asian:

 

[RRouuselot]

Hey Robert, I've hooked up with the Kyusho International guys down here, and none of us will accept it if we can't do it under pressure. A couple of us are from hard hitting styles and we like to play rough. When we go down from light taps we find it so funny that we roll around giggling like school girls.
One of these days we will get the video going, but like you we're to busy training to hold onto a video camera.

--Dave :asian:

Dave,



That’s what I like to hear. I get tired of folks doing the “knock’m over with a feather” techniques…..just doesn’t cut it. You and I have talk via email and shared ideas on training and what we think works and I have a lot of resepct for you.

Personally I don’t care if people train with Muncy, Moneymaker, Dillman, or Beaver Cleaver…(no I didn’t stutter I said Dillamn).I have friends and former students of several of those afore mentioned folks….to me if you train in a no BS fashion and if you are “uke” and you don’t take a fall but make the guy work for it that’s all that counts.

Like I always say…”technique talks and BS walks”