people on drugs

[Bod]

Offer them a spliff? :shrug:

 

[Fightfan00]

you would have to find a way to wear them down,or if all else fails i hate to say it you have to send them to the next life,because the person who is high like that has absolutly no idea what its doing.So its either him/her or you.

 

[Paul Genge]

If a person is on drugs and is agressive towards you you have to move calmly and slowly. The reason for this is because their mind is like a hair trigger. If you move suddenly or quickley they will attack immediatley. This will even happen if your were not making a movement that was intended to threaten them. The best thing to do is to remain calm and back off slowly.


If you have to tackle them any strikes, locks or other techniques need to ensure your safety even if they don't register with the opponent. Locks have to work mechanically on their posture, presure points have to a a physiological effect instead of just causing pain.

Paul Genge (Police Officer)
http://www.russianmartialart.org.uk

 

[foxmc]

I remember two different friends of mine had witnessed two separate cases of guys on PCP that one ended up being completely mutilated (not killed), before they were able to take him down. He had already maimed one officer and he was bashing his head into the wall and then he was shot about 3 times (in defense), and he was still going strong. The other required a grand total of 15 LEOs to take him down. It's truly scary stuff, and I would hope that none of us will have to face that.

 

[Mark Weiser]

In the Law Enforcement Community we have a thing called a Taser. We can use up 500,000 volts if needed you can get these commerically (hint; I have them in my online store lol) that should stop an elephant. We can also use shotgun with bean bag shot to take down the suspect. There are also a thing called sticky netting which is being tested in some depts.

But for the average street person. You will have to disable the person if they get aggressive. Break elbows to prevent choking and striking by suspect. Breaking knees or ankles to bring aggressor to the ground so he or she can not support body weight. There are legal weapons one can carry that will not be considered deadly force weapons

Taser, Pepper sprays, Hand Cuffs, Plastic Cuffs, Sticks, etc....

 

[satans.barber]

Windpipe works fine if it disables him. :asian:

That would be my thinking too, if they can't breath, they can't fight, whether they're on drugs or not? I would think as well as the throat a good kick to the sternum would be good as well to try and wind them.

Ian.

 

[satans.barber]

On a related note, do any drugs ('recreational' drugs, I don't mean steroids!) actually make people physically stronger? It's obvious from what people have said and what I already knew that their resistance to pain can be reduced or completely nullified, which makes them more dangerous, but is for example a smallish guy any stronger when he's high than when he isn't?

I know that when adrenaline is dumped into the system strength increases dramatically (see stories of women moving cars with trapped children inside with their bare hands etc.), do any drugs increase adrenaline in this way?

I admit I don't know that much about drugs, I've never been involved with it myself and neither have any of my friends to my knowledge, so I'm short on first hand experience.

Ian.

 

[marshallbd]

How would anyone deal with someone being aggressive towards them who they knew was under the influence of drugs, not marijuana, or being drunk especially but drugs that make people more physically dangerous: Meth, Cocaine, PCP? I knew a guy as a drinking buddy, didn't realize he was a speed freak until I saw him under the influence one time. Scary stuff, hyper awareness, paranoia, super human focus, one might have shot him and he'd still have kept coming. I've heard law enforcement horror stories about people under the influence not feeling pain, being incredibly strong, etc. Are these stories true? What could you do?

I used to work the booking desk at a small county detention facility. One evening two officers called in that they were bringing in a hostile subject that was getting very violent and tearing up the police vehicle. When they pulled in to the Salley Port and were secured, myself and 4 other Deputies went out to assist in the control of this person. I was amazed when I saw the damage to the vehicle and then saw the actual person inflicting the damage. It was a female who weighed approximately 90lbs. It actually took 6 LEO's to control her and get her into the "Chair". The Chair is a restraint system designed for people who are a danger to themselves or others. This individual was on a cocktail of Meth and PCP and was lost to all sanity. She had superhuman strength that was scary. I weigh 200lbs even and am the smallest officer/deputy involved in that situation. Normal arrest and control tactics did not work (ie joint locks and manipulation) because she felt no pain and was inhumanly strong. She threw a 270+lb officer back almost 10 foot across the sally port before she was finally restrained after 3 hits from the tazer. Drugs are a scary thing and sometimes I dont think there is any training that will help if the right conditions are there ....just a thought. :asian:

 

[marshallbd]

I wonder if hysterical yelling and screaming might not throw them off a bit. Sort of "freak them out". Any thoughts?

They most likely will not even hear or if they do hear, will not comprehend that it came from you, or it will further enrage them. In my experience, it makes no difference what you do as far as verbal once thier trigger is tripped until they adjust and calm on thier own....happens extremely quickly in some and takes days for others.....

 

[shaolinchi]

Fiesty Mouse, I had a man come into the studio who was under the influence a few months back. He came in and started asking all sorts of questions, and asking me to show him some things...unfortunately i had a pair of nunchukas on the desk in front of me and he picked them up and started swinging them. thats when i sorta got nervous, not for me, but for him. I was really expecting him to knock himself out...but he hit himself in the back and put it down afterwards. He was swearing up a storm thats when I told him he needed to leave because I had my 5 year old class coming in. That wouldn't have been good ...but anyway, just so happens that one of the kids fathers is a bounty hunter/bail bonds man, and he escorted him out nicely. It all ended decently!

Another story, I have posted it before, but I can't remember where...3 kids tried to jump me and a friend of mine. They were under the influence of something, i'm not really sure what it was...they hardly blinked though. it was kinda freaky. they decided to pull a gun on us. thats when i got pissed because well someone pulling a gun on me is one thing, but when that person is baked off his butt, he doesn't know what he's doing...so i calmly tried to talk ourselves out of the situation. finally 2 of the kids didn't wanna do anything anymore but the kid with the gun just persisted. finally he made his threats and pointed the gun right at me...and told me to leave...i was lucky! very very lucky

 

[lonecoyote]

Mark Weiser brought up the taser. I was watching the TV show "Cops" which is real actual filmed arrests, and I remember there was one episode where a guy is obviously on something very dangerous, lots of movement, eyes as big as dinner plates, and they tased him, and then he pulled out the contact darts himself, while never being knocked down or anything. That was a few years ago, though, perhaps tasers are different now. I saw another time where it put down a 300 pounder, but he wasn't on any drugs. I've also heard that if people are under the influence, pepper spray isn't as effective. Is this true? Or are sprays and tasers effective against people on meth, PCP, or cocaine?

 

[Mark Weiser]

There are under developement items that would control these sorts of people.

1. Sticky Net that is fired from a shoulder held device much like the CS dispensers.
2. EMP device that uses sound waves that overload the bodies senses causing the system to shut down ie pass out from overload.
3. Tasers are getting stronger and under developement on multiple settings available for instances if 50,000 volts is not working turn the dial up to 60,000

 

[lonecoyote]

That's very interesting stuff, Mr. Weiser. Kind of reminds me of science fiction, some of it, especially the sound waves. I believe that you could send a whole lot of volts through a person, barring heart attack that is, as from what I've been told its the amps that kill.But what about civilian tools? In the southwest, drugs, especially meth are a growing problem. One can be minding one's own business during the regular course of a day and come face to face with a nightmare like one of these people we've been talking about. I don't mean law enforcement officers in the commission of their duties, I mean going to the lumberyard or dump or laundromat or convenience store.

 

[Xequat]

Maybe someone can back me on this, but I've recently heard that if someone is in that on-drugs, "Psychotic happy" state, then it sort of shuts off their ability to feel pain, except on the inner thighs. I totally agree with hitting the mobility areas like legs and eyes if necessary, but from things that my instructor has told me, I believe that the inner thighs are vulnerable to painful attacks. Weird, but true.

 

[ppko]

Maybe someone can back me on this, but I've recently heard that if someone is in that on-drugs, "Psychotic happy" state, then it sort of shuts off their ability to feel pain, except on the inner thighs. I totally agree with hitting the mobility areas like legs and eyes if necessary, but from things that my instructor has told me, I believe that the inner thighs are vulnerable to painful attacks. Weird, but true.

Your instructor seems like a smart man, I know of some police officers in NY that have done this to people on PCP and it has worked wonders

 

[Silat Student]

After hearing the above reports (and from hanging out with a "wrong crowd" in highschool) I'd say hit 'em with a vehicle.