Pen Jillette. Atheist. Libertarian. Okay, now that there are some empty seats, movie time!

[Josh Oakley]

Well, I disagree with every single one. Strongly.

You disagree that there are companies who are gaming the system and benefitting thereby? Really? and STRONGLY? Or are you just taking the opposite points to Makalakumu on principle?

 

[granfire]

Non-Sequitor. I mean, this is a pretty broad thread to start. and you still managed to bring in something that has almost nothing to do with anything. I applaud you, sir!

:lfao:

 

[Bill Mattocks]

You disagree that there are companies who are gaming the system and benefitting thereby? Really? and STRONGLY? Or are you just taking the opposite points to Makalakumu on principle?

I disagree that "Rich people are gaming the big government system by socializing risk and privatizing profits = fascism." He did not say what you just said, he said something different. And I disagree with it. Strongly.

 

[Josh Oakley]

Ok I'll agree with inasmuch as Makalakamu presented it.

 

[Makalakumu]

I disagree that "Rich people are gaming the big government system by socializing risk and privatizing profits = fascism." He did not say what you just said, he said something different. And I disagree with it. Strongly.

The language is not precise, but it captures the theme expressed below.

http://www.naturalnews.com/034620_Monsanto_diplomats_GMOs.html

(NaturalNews) Biotech giant Monsanto has been genetically modifying the world's food supply and subsequently breeding environmental devastation for years, but leaked documents now reveal that Monsanto has also deeply infiltrated the United States government. With leaked reports revealing how U.S. diplomats are actually working for Monsanto to push their agenda along with other key government officials, Monsanto's grasp on international politics has never been clearer.

Amazingly, the information reveals that the massive corporation is also intensely involved in the passing and regulations concerning the very GM ingredients they are responsible for. In fact, the information released by WikiLeaks reveals just how much power Monsanto has thanks to key positions within the United States government and elsewhere. Not only was it exposed that the U.S. is threatening nations who oppose Monsanto with military-style trade wars, but that many U.S. diplomats actually work directly for Monsanto.

This is gaming the system.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033784_GMO_animal_feed.html

(NaturalNews) A new paper reviewing data from 19 animal studies shows that consuming genetically modified (GM) corn or soybeans leads to significant organ disruptions in rats and mice, particularly in livers and kidneys (http://www.enveurope.com/content/23...). "Other organs may be affected too, such as the heart and spleen, or blood cells," stated the paper. In fact some of the animals fed genetically modified organisms had altered body weights, which is "a very good predictor of side effects in various organs."

The GM soybean and corn varieties used in the feeding trials "constitute 83% of the commercialized GMOs" that are currently consumed by billions of people. While the findings may have serious ramifications for the human population, the authors demonstrate how a multitude of GMO-related health problems could easily pass undetected through the superficial and largely incompetent safety assessments that are used around the world.

The researchers, lead by French Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini, found that nearly 1 out of every 10 measured parameters in the studies, including blood and urine biochemistry, organ weights, and microscopic analyses, were significantly disrupted in the animals fed GMOs. The kidneys of males fared the worst, with 43.5% of all the changes. The liver of females followed, with 30.8%. The report, published in Environmental Sciences Europe on March 1, 2011, confirms that "several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects." The authors point out that livers and kidneys "are the major reactive organs" in cases of chronic food toxicity.

And this happens because the risk is socialized. Imagine if a company like Monsanto could actually be held accountable for the damage that it has done?

Do you think they would push products that would cause so many health problems?

BTW - its just been shown that RNA from GMO passes through the digestive tract and incorporates itself into the cells of animals that eat it. These changes alter the nature of the cells and cause abnormal growth. This means that GMO crops cause cancer...