This is one of my favorite throws. Most throws, you turn counter clockwise and throw counter clockwise. This one you turn clockwise and throw counter clockwise... (at least it feels like that) Lots of fun to do...
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Do you manage to operationalize it in Rondori?This is one of my favorite throws. Most throws, you turn counter clockwise and throw counter clockwise. This one you turn clockwise and throw counter clockwise... (at least it feels like that) Lots of fun to do...
Ayyyy I think I know the guy you're throwing! Small world!This is one of my favorite throws. Most throws, you turn counter clockwise and throw counter clockwise. This one you turn clockwise and throw counter clockwise... (at least it feels like that) Lots of fun to do...
Not yet... still working on that part. Its still a fun throw to practice... it feels totally different....Do you manage to operationalize it in Rondori?
I will ask him if he know a guy from Australia.... it may be a small world indeed!Ayyyy I think I know the guy you're throwing! Small world!
And nice throw!
Sometimes my favorite throws I could never pull off in competition. Other throws I didn't have a connection with, I would regularly dump people with. It's weird like that sometimes. So I was curious.Not yet... still working on that part. Its still a fun throw to practice... it feels totally different....
For and this throw... its about getting the right opportunity in randori. At for now, I need to be rolling with a Gi, as I need the lapel grip... so rolling with MMA folks is not going to give me the opportunity to try it out.Sometimes my favorite throws I could never pull off in competition. Other throws I didn't have a connection with, I would regularly dump people with. It's weird like that sometimes. So I was curious.
If you say I'm a member of SMK he'll know heheI will ask him if he know a guy from Australia.... it may be a small world indeed!
What's your set up for this throw?This is one of my favorite throws. Most throws, you turn counter clockwise and throw counter clockwise. This one you turn clockwise and throw counter clockwise... (at least it feels like that) Lots of fun to do...
Like I said above... I am still working on how to use this throw in randori. At this point, if I can get the other guy to push me back, pushing into my shoulders, up high.... I could drop under for this.... But, I am still working on it. Right now I am on step one with this throw... can I do the technique? If I can't do the technique, there is no reason to set it up.What's your set up for this throw?
Should we discount any technique that can be countered? If so... which techniques are left???Should you disable your opponent's free arms when you spin your body into him and give your back? Your opponent's free arm can wrap around your waist and pull you back down. Even worse, his free hand can pull your forehead back and put pressure on your neck (helmet remove). How do you prevent that from happening?
You can train how to set up and also how to apply a throw at the same time. IMO, there is no need to separate as 2 different training.If I can't do the technique, there is no reason to set it up.
Yes you are right.... you can train the set up at the same time. But now we get into different styles of training. Different people will like different styles.You can train how to set up and also how to apply a throw at the same time. IMO, there is no need to separate as 2 different training.
The concern is after you have developed a certain habit, you may need to spend extra time to remove it later on.I find it easier to learn the individual building blocks, then learn different ways to put them together.
So then you would object to this type of training?The concern is after you have developed a certain habit, you may need to spend extra time to remove it later on.
For example, many people train "hip throw" by using right arm to wrap around opponent's waist. This give their opponents a free left arm that can do a lot of things. After they have been countered over and over, they lost faith in "hip throw".
It's not their hip throw that don't work. It's their hip throw set up is wrong.
If you move in from your right side, to be able to control your opponent's left arm is important.If all techniques have counters.... shouldn't they all be thrown out?
If you move in from your right side, to be able to control yur opponent's left arm is important.
When you apply a hip throw, if you use underhook instead of waist wrap, you can control his left free arm.
When you apply shoulder throw, you can guide your opponent's free left arm under his own right arm and controlled between you and your opponent's bodies.
Sometime you may move in so fast that your opponent doesn't have time to counter you. But why take the risk if you don't have to?We can see examples of both ogoshi and seoi nage being used in Judo competition, quite effectively... we can even find examples of them being used in MMA and on the street.
Are you arguing that your versions do not have counters? (hate to break the news... but they certainly do have counters... many of the counters being exactly the same as the Judo / Jujitsu version)
In post #16, you showed your version of hip throw.... should that version be discounted, since both of the counters you show here, will work against your hip throw in post #16?Sometime you may move in so fast that your opponent doesn't have time to counter you. But why take the risk if you don't have to?
You can move in while your opponent's left arm is
1. free, or
2. under your control.
IMO, 2 is better than 1.
Here are examples that your opponent's free left arm can give you some trouble.
The hip throw in post #16,In post #16, you showed your version of hip throw.... should that version be discounted, since both of the counters you show here, will work against your hip throw in post #16?