old Japanese scrolls

[opr1945]

Okay, my ignorance is showing here. I thought, in the other thread you said said it was basically a contract thought to have religious significance called a KAKEJIKU (which I guess just means scroll?).

Here you referred to it as kaimyō, which I understand to be memorium of a deceased person (death certificate).

can you clear up my confusion? Thanks.

 

[opr1945]

actually, since I am a lawyer and taught American contract law for many years hanging a Japanese contract on my wall would be kind of cool.

However, hanging a death certificate on my wall is not something I would be thrilled with. Kind of creepy, however, I have seen pictures hanging on walls from funerals showing the deceased in an open coffin. Personally, I would not be comfortable with that either.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I recently purchase several old Japanese scrolls. When I got them I discovered they were very fragile. I did not get that from the pictures on line of the scrolls. Some have rips or tears about half way across the scroll. I would like to display them but, I am afraid that the weight of the scroll would further the tear.

1. I have thought I could glue the scroll itself to some backing to reenforce the scroll and absorb the weight to prevent the tear getting worse. I don't know what kind of backing paper or cloth would work best.

2. I have also thought of attaching to some kind of backing board. Then supporting the lower dowel so that the weight of the scroll is transferred to the backing board not the paper of the scroll.

I have watched several U-tube videos on repairing scrolls and that job is way above my pay grade.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Treat your schools as a historical relic. Expect most of them to be fragile because they are old.

Repairing scrolls and that job is way above your pay grade comes with the territory. My personal thoughts is that you should be thinking of the Old Scrolls in the same light. Way above your Pay Grade. Don't just tape and glue because you'll ruin the value of it. If you are going to collect Old Scrolls then invest in getting someone who knows how to repair them the correct way.

 

[Haruhiko]

Okay, my ignorance is showing here. I thought, in the other thread you said said it was basically a contract thought to have religious significance called a KAKEJIKU (which I guess just means scroll?).

Here you referred to it as kaimyō, which I understand to be memorium of a deceased person (death certificate).

can you clear up my confusion? Thanks.

Yeah the scroll from the thread you made some time ago was a kaimyō scroll.

Best returned to family or the temple who administered it for posterity.

I believe it was this one:

The writing indicates a tea ceremony on the year 1831, at Koyasan, between a layperson and a practising Shingon priest.

Because of the language used it may well be a kaimyō scroll, commemorating the deceased's pilgrimage.

 

[opr1945]

If you are going to collect Old Scrolls then invest in getting someone who knows how to repair them the correct way.

I'm not investing in the sense that I am looking for a return on my investment. Nor am I collecting in the sense that there is some objective in gathering a specific group of something.

I am collecting in the sense that I am just looking for a few scroll to hang on my wall for my personal enjoyment.

As for getting them repaired I think they have all cost me less than $50 USD with shipping between $20-30. Cost of repairing is probably way more than the cost of purchase. While some Japanese scrolls are very valuable I am amazed at how little they sell for at the low end.

So I believe restoration is not an option. And if I screw it up neither I nor the world is out much.

 

[opr1945]

Yeah the scroll from the thread you made some time ago was a kaimyō scroll.

Best returned to family or the temple who administered it for posterity.

Yes the scroll you pictured in post #24 is one that I purchased. Total cost was $52.46 USD which I consider cheap for an almost 200 year old scroll. After thinking about this I have 2 options for you:

1. I will (give) send it to you at my cost. on the condition that if you find it was legitimately sold and is of no interest to the family you return it to me after a reasonable time..

2. I will set it aside and not do anything with it (no attempt to repair or display) until I hear back from you again with in a reasonable time. And then, if it is appropriate I will send it, my cost, to you or whomever at an address you provide me.

I understand that either of these may take some time and be difficult so I will allow you to decide what is a reasonable time after you have tried to address this issue and let know what you consider a reasonable time.

If you have an alternative I am open to suggestions.

If you want we can continue this conversation by PM or personal email. Your call.

 

[opr1945]

Just for information one of the things I found interesting about this scroll is it's size. Most of the scrolls I came across were between 5' and 7' in length. Meaning they go from ceiling to floor. This one is 8"x30" (21cm x 75 cm) much closer to the size of a wall hanging that I am familiar with.

 

[Haruhiko]

Yes the scroll you pictured in post #24 is one that I purchased. Total cost was $52.46 USD which I consider cheap for an almost 200 year old scroll. After thinking about this I have 2 options for you:

1. I will (give) send it to you at my cost. on the condition that if you find it was legitimately sold and is of no interest to the family you return it to me after a reasonable time..

2. I will set it aside and not do anything with it (no attempt to repair or display) until I hear back from you again with in a reasonable time. And then, if it is appropriate I will send it, my cost, to you or whomever at an address you provide me.

I understand that either of these may take some time and be difficult so I will allow you to decide what is a reasonable time after you have tried to address this issue and let know what you consider a reasonable time.

If you have an alternative I am open to suggestions.

If you want we can continue this conversation by PM or personal email. Your call.

I like option 2.

Will DM you when I have time. Thanks.

 

[opr1945]

Thanks. I will send you my e-mail by private message. I am not always on the ball about checking messages here. Thanks again.

 

[opr1945]

I came across scrolls that the pictures we horizontal? How does one hang them?

Genuine Work Sugihara Mototo/Kamikochi/Landscape/Horizontal/Hanging Scroll Treas

Genuine Work Sugihara Mototo/Kamikochi/Landscape/Horizontal/Hanging Scroll Treas | eBay

We are located in Japan.

www.ebay.com

 

[opr1945]

Here is another example. This one is described as Chinese. You can see the string to hang it on the right side of the picture. But, wouldn't it hang at a 90 degree angle?

 

[opr1945]

I thought you might find this interesting/familiar.



Antique Japanese Hanging Scroll "Red Bodhidarma" | eBay

 

[Haruhiko]

I thought you might find this interesting/familiar.



Antique Japanese Hanging Scroll "Red Bodhidarma" | eBay

I do! Daruma Daishi, founder of Zen Buddhism.

The landscape scroll is Chinese and I haven't seen one like that before. After looking into it a bit more with reverse image searching, I think it's a copy of a Ming Dynasty scroll referring to a mythical Chinese island "Penglai Wonderland".