granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
Ok, slight hyperbole...but if you do like to decide what to do with your property...
(Crossposted, I am sure the lady won't mind...)
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/s...industry-is-in-state-committee-NEED-YOUR-HELP
A short introduction to the players:
The New York Ciity carriage drivers.
Only a handful, around 200 horses, 65 licensed carriages (like cabs) driving 2 shifts under the strict observation of no less than for agencies.
A list of regulations so long it makes your eyes water - no other group of people dealing with horses has to comply with this much.
The ASPCA
founded to protect the horses in NYC, in the century before last.
Experienced a turn to the extreme end of the mission statement (like asking for a ban on above horse carriages)
NYCLASS
backed by real estate interests, trying to peddle fake antique electric cars instead of the carriages.
Reportedly received nearly half a million in donations from an ASPCA official.
The Carriage drivers occupy 3 stables a couple of blocks away from Central Park on Manhatten's West Side...
Assorted other groups, like WAR (Win Animal Rights) and similarly trending groups.
One figure head is Ms Elisabeth Forel, City employee, one of the most vocal (and a bit loony) faces on the map. And yes, I said loony, because she really does think that only two people oppose her ideal...I did response to her under my FB account that actually had my name on it, she said it was a lovely made up one...so you can see...
Alas, the bill proposed states that the horses are to be removed from the city.
Then the legal owners are to donate or sell them to approved sanctuaries or individuals only.
These buyers are then required to keep said horses for the rest of their natural life and they shall not be worked.
Work is defined in the bill as in anything that requires harness, tack, or the like, basically everything except eating and pooping.
problem:
These horses are pretty valuable as the trained work animals they are. We are talking mid 4 figures, easily.
They are draft and draft crosses (mostly) that meas they are large animals that eat a lot. The upkeep of a pet this size is substantial!
Not to mention that the value of said horses would drop from pretty high to meat....
There are no such sanctuaries. Full Stop.
And private individuals are not lining up to purchase White Elephants right now either.
Another problem:
The supporters of the ban have stated time and time again, that this was only the first step.
Even if you can't stand horses, think the road should be clear of them and anything lesser than a sedan...keep that in mind, that a relative small group (with nothing but time on their hands) is widdling away on the rights to decide what you can and cannot do with your legally purchased property.
If you are a NYS resident, I'd ask you to consider to contact your representative to work AGAINST the ban.
And yeah, I know.. the gun thing....
But I think we can try to keep that out of here and restrict it to the other million and a half threads currently about it on MT, please?
(Crossposted, I am sure the lady won't mind...)
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/s...industry-is-in-state-committee-NEED-YOUR-HELP
A short introduction to the players:
The New York Ciity carriage drivers.
Only a handful, around 200 horses, 65 licensed carriages (like cabs) driving 2 shifts under the strict observation of no less than for agencies.
A list of regulations so long it makes your eyes water - no other group of people dealing with horses has to comply with this much.
The ASPCA
founded to protect the horses in NYC, in the century before last.
Experienced a turn to the extreme end of the mission statement (like asking for a ban on above horse carriages)
NYCLASS
backed by real estate interests, trying to peddle fake antique electric cars instead of the carriages.
Reportedly received nearly half a million in donations from an ASPCA official.
The Carriage drivers occupy 3 stables a couple of blocks away from Central Park on Manhatten's West Side...
Assorted other groups, like WAR (Win Animal Rights) and similarly trending groups.
One figure head is Ms Elisabeth Forel, City employee, one of the most vocal (and a bit loony) faces on the map. And yes, I said loony, because she really does think that only two people oppose her ideal...I did response to her under my FB account that actually had my name on it, she said it was a lovely made up one...so you can see...
Alas, the bill proposed states that the horses are to be removed from the city.
Then the legal owners are to donate or sell them to approved sanctuaries or individuals only.
These buyers are then required to keep said horses for the rest of their natural life and they shall not be worked.
Work is defined in the bill as in anything that requires harness, tack, or the like, basically everything except eating and pooping.
problem:
These horses are pretty valuable as the trained work animals they are. We are talking mid 4 figures, easily.
They are draft and draft crosses (mostly) that meas they are large animals that eat a lot. The upkeep of a pet this size is substantial!
Not to mention that the value of said horses would drop from pretty high to meat....
There are no such sanctuaries. Full Stop.
And private individuals are not lining up to purchase White Elephants right now either.
Another problem:
The supporters of the ban have stated time and time again, that this was only the first step.
Even if you can't stand horses, think the road should be clear of them and anything lesser than a sedan...keep that in mind, that a relative small group (with nothing but time on their hands) is widdling away on the rights to decide what you can and cannot do with your legally purchased property.
If you are a NYS resident, I'd ask you to consider to contact your representative to work AGAINST the ban.
And yeah, I know.. the gun thing....
But I think we can try to keep that out of here and restrict it to the other million and a half threads currently about it on MT, please?
