I think I understand your meaning. This is an emotional topic for many people. My grandmother committed suicide with a .32 auto. She was able to fire the gun twice, the third pull of the trigger caused a stovepipe jam in the pistol. She died of blood loss subsequently. I was the one to discover her body. I was twelve.
I agree with all of this. We should be able to identify issues, and come up with solutions. But when those solutions are policy changes, legal changes, or forced cultural changes, then it is politics. Which, while still being worth discussing, is no longer allowed on this forum.
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Thanks, brother.
Thanks, Rich, it did help.
My heart goes out to you, brother.
All good. I didn’t tell it for sympathy, but rather to let people know that it is close to my heart too. Thanks for the support.
The concern I have with this is that it appears to be an international comparison and not all countries have the same access to guns that the US does. How can there be a comparison of gun related suicides with a country that doesn't have the same access to guns? Wouldn't the numbers be off?
You could just lock it. I think everyone said their piece. I have to say I am impressed with how everyone kept their cool and were actually discussing in a positive way. Thanks to all involved including the moderators.I agree with all of this. We should be able to identify issues, and come up with solutions. But when those solutions are policy changes, legal changes, or forced cultural changes, then it is politics. Which, while still being worth discussing, is no longer allowed on this forum.
At one point, it actually was allowed here. But people were not able to stay rational and it was causing opinions to seep through, in a similar way it does now but even moreso. So it's banned. Our recommendation is to go to US Message Board
To me is the same if my son was in it then I was monitoring the tub as well. For example if the water is running then I make sure that the water temperature didn't change to hot
Aren't serial numbers a way to monitor guns? It's not real time monitoring but it does allow fit some aspect of monitoring right?
Right. That is exactly what the reports say. It's the difference between a suicide attempt and a suicide. As I said, someone who attempts suicide by drug overdose is only 3% likely to succeed, where someone who attempts suicide by gun is up around 85% likely to succeed. The takeaway is that people who are suicidal shouldn't have ready access to firearms.
I don't believe the time trying to prevent school shootings is disproportionate.
The reaction, that rational, reasonable reaction to be horrified, should provide the moral, ethical, and emotional energy to driving for A solution. Right? To be clear, the discussion in this thread so far isn't (but should be) about what we can and should do to help folks (all folks, including and perhaps in particular, children in schools) from being shot. Self defense.
Had a coworker back in the late 90s whose three year old kid got outside and wandered behind his car as he was heading to the store. He backed over and killed his son. It literally ruined his life. The grief, the guilt... he quit his job, his wife left him, and he ended up taking his life.
I understand your point and appreciate your perspective. To be fair, I don’t think anyone, however practical or logic minded, would say that even one person of any age is an acceptable number. Your emotional response is understandable to me. It may help to try to speak each other’s language in these discussions. I have to believe that the differences in opinion here are far fewer than the similarities. Common ground is the road forward for everyone. There can be no resolution without starting there. Honestly, Im not sure we necessarily disagree very much at all. The media are competing corporate business, we as people are their customers and their content. They necessarily view us as such. This relationship can obviously lead to actions and decisions by these businesses that don’t have positive results for people. I don’t want to generalize here, but it does somewhat temper the lens with which I view any type of media, from any source whatsoever.
That’s an awfully sad story.
This is something I often ask myself. The thing of multiple red flags. Is great if you can catch them but a Lo of times they will slip through. You may see a red flag today. I may see one next week but we don't know that we are both seeing the same red flags exorcism if we are strangers and don't realize that we know the same person. In terms of reporting the red flag match up usually doesn't come until the death comes and then that's when people "compare notes"
I thought about that too in terms of numbers. That it may not be good to compare all of the US as a whole. It would seem to compare population size and go from there. Especially in the U.S where geographic location may have an effect. I'm not sure if this interest anyone but it has some numbers related to death. This page is the suicide page but if you click on the State it will be show other mortality rates for that state.
What a law should say, or whether a law is good or bad. That’s political, for MT purposes. What the law actually says - presented objectively - isn’t likely to be political.
