yes dont be fooled by the case that if it is the most commercialised it is the best
Non-commercial doesn't always mean better. In some instances, teachers that aren't commercial aren't very good or have personality problems that interfere with being good. They may be non commercial because nobody would pay for what they taught.
Many non-commercial are also very good and don't want to accept money for some ethical or personal reason. Or due to the restrictions of culture would not run it as a business.
Some commercial teachers are very good and others are very bad and many are just so so.
Quality all depends on the teacher.
Eskrima is
worth money, but it's not
about money. I charge for lessons and I pay for my own training, because it's
worth something.
In the West we live in a highly mobile society. We often live many miles from where we train and from our training partners and we have very few deeply personal relationships. One way that we can demonstrate that we feel that something is important is by paying for it. That is part of western culture, which is the medium in which I at least live.
just in my opinion i think focus will shift towards a lot of the older eskrima schools many of which where well and truly around before the doce pares society started up, then finally these eskrima styles will get their time to show the world thier techniques......
There is no question that there was valid, viable Eskrima around before Doce Pares formed in the 30's. The Labangon Fencing Club that became Doce Pares was a gym that arnis practitioners could go to and talk shop, trade techniques, and test themselves against each other. There are a lot of systems around that were formed in that period, and there are a lot including Moro Moro Orabes Heneral, Balintawak, Lapunti, etc, that came around afterward.
All eskrima has in common that their roots extend beyond the 1930's into the past. The term master didn't come into common use in the non-japanese martial arts until the '50's. The same goes with the term Grandmaster which made it into common usage in the '70's. Also the idea of style came to the philippines with Judo. You could argue that point about the Chinese arts, but they kept their system within their own community so it was not available to the mainstream. Before the idea of different styles became popular, Arnis was like boxing. People boxed, but they didn't have a name for their method as much as the drills they used.
So as for older styles, I don't know if that could happen, because I don't think that back before the 1930's they were officially styles, they were just known as Arnis or Eskrima and that it came from some guy from a particular area of town or barrio.
For example, Andres Bonifacio, Jose Rizal, and Emilio Aguinaldo were all known practitioners of Arnis de Mano, but what style? Nobody knows because there were no officially named styles then. It seems funny to me that some people can name what style Lapu Lapu did, but have no idea about these national heroes, one of whom, Aguinaldo, lived well into the 20th century and could have been asked. It certainly seems to insinuate that any style references, before the 20th century at least, may have a touch of fiction.
Can anyone let me know where I can find some classes teaching Escrims/Kali/Arnis in the Los Angeles/Orange County area that is not based on the Inosanto/JKD or Doce Pares organizations?
Any help would be appreciated.
Anyway, regarding the original post: I live in Los Angeles, and I wanted to know if there was something that soured Crash14 on Doce Pares. There is a great variation in the Doce Pares practitioners here. We are all very different on some things. I had hoped to heal some of the misgivings that he might have if he had a bad experience.
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