Nipple Rings Cause Airport Security Issue

[Andy Moynihan]

You needed to make a bet about that?

 

[elder999]

1) TSA changes policy for piercings....apparently, they didn't differentiate between ear piercings and piercings elsewhere.

2)Hamlin and her attorney do not plan any further legal action, according to the Dallas Morning News article.

Yer probably OTL on this one, Don.....

 

[kidswarrior]

The anatomy in question to which the ring was attached is by no means the boob in this story, I'll tell you what.

:rofl: Thanks Andy, I needed that.

 

[Andy Moynihan]

And people wonder why I refuse to fly.

Right.

Anyone who still blindly insists we are NOT poised on an inevitable and imminent societal collapse can shut up now, thank you very much.

 

[MJS]

I'll bet, when we finally get the whole story, (the video, etc) we will see Hamlin was belligerent from the start.

It doesn't matter. It would have no bearing on this. None.

Well, I have to agree with newguy12 on this. IMHO, her attitude, whatever it was, and we may very well never know, really doesnt play that much of a role in this. The main issue at hand is why the TSA person felt it was necessary to pretty much embarrass this female.

Now, my wife and I travel and we've never had to take jewelery off. We wear our wedding rings, she wears earrings, and not once have we had an issue. Different material? Don't know, but in any case, I'm sure there were more professional ways to address this issue.

 

[Twin Fist]

NewGuy is just spouting typical liberal twoddle. You think America is in so much trouble NEwGuy?
Were you ever in the service?
have you ever been outside america?

Well I have. I have seen REALLY bad places. Cops directing traffic in South Korea have M-16's and if you run? they shoot you

Police in the phillipines carry sawed off shotguns

THATS oppression.

America is a paradise and some people are so partisan they have to yap yap yap just cuz the current president does have the right letter have his name

people like that make me sick

regarding the incident in question:

I would certainly fire the people that handled this situation so badly. All they had to do was have a female officer visually verify that she did indeed have pierced nipples.

Weather they were just idiots, or she gave them reason to doubt her by her actions one one level doesnt really matter, they should have just had her searched by a female officer and let her go. On another level it matters very much. Her attitude DOES matter, because if you are cool, the cops will be cool with you. If you act like an ***, so will they, and they will win.

But thats all this is, a badly handled search

this isnt the deathnell of a nation, just a a badly mishandled search.

Let me clue you children in on a few facts boys and girls.

Our airline security was a JOKE before 9-11, and in truth it STILL is

You think flying here is a pain? some violation of some rights you think you have?

Try flying in Israel

How exactly did we get hit for over 3000 dead? thats right, our security was a JOKE. And 19 guys were able to slip through it with no real effort.

and now people have the audacity to ***** and moan when we are finally doing what we should have been all along?

WAKE UP

The world changed one September morning back in 2001.

DEAL WITH IT

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 

[Andy Moynihan]

Twin Fist, I understand your frustration and your points' bro, but there's no need to take it personal with anyone. People that feel attacked stop listening, and that isn't something anyone with any salient point to make can afford.

 

[Andy Moynihan]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

As true today as when Ben first said it.

 

[Twin Fist]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

blah blah blah

only the living have liberties

only the living are around to whine and moan about the president.

care to argue that point?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

The living don't just whine and moan about Gov. Bush.
Some of the living exist to wander blind to reality, ignorant to what this country was founded on, and once stood for.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. "

 

[MJS]

NewGuy is just spouting typical liberal twoddle. You think America is in so much trouble NEwGuy?
Were you ever in the service?
have you ever been outside america?

Well I have. I have seen REALLY bad places. Cops directing traffic in South Korea have M-16's and if you run? they shoot you

Police in the phillipines carry sawed off shotguns

THATS oppression.

America is a paradise and some people are so partisan they have to yap yap yap just cuz the current president does have the right letter have his name

people like that make me sick

regarding the incident in question:

I would certainly fire the people that handled this situation so badly. All they had to do was have a female officer visually verify that she did indeed have pierced nipples.

Weather they were just idiots, or she gave them reason to doubt her by her actions one one level doesnt really matter, they should have just had her searched by a female officer and let her go. On another level it matters very much. Her attitude DOES matter, because if you are cool, the cops will be cool with you. If you act like an ***, so will they, and they will win.

But thats all this is, a badly handled search

this isnt the deathnell of a nation, just a a badly mishandled search.

Let me clue you children in on a few facts boys and girls.

Our airline security was a JOKE before 9-11, and in truth it STILL is

You think flying here is a pain? some violation of some rights you think you have?

Try flying in Israel

How exactly did we get hit for over 3000 dead? thats right, our security was a JOKE. And 19 guys were able to slip through it with no real effort.

and now people have the audacity to ***** and moan when we are finally doing what we should have been all along?

WAKE UP

The world changed one September morning back in 2001.

DEAL WITH IT

blah blah blah

only the living have liberties

only the living are around to whine and moan about the president.

care to argue that point?

Everyone is going to have a different point of view. No need to take personal shots at members of the forum. We have a good thread going here. Please don't ruin it.

 

[jks9199]

Everyone is going to have a different point of view. No need to take personal shots at members of the forum. We have a good thread going here. Please don't ruin it.

The discourteous discourse seems to be going both ways...

Let's be real. The search was badly mishandled. At most, there should have been a visual inspection by a FEMALE TSA officer. I see no justification for, in an air traveler, cutting the piercing off. (There are situations where it would be justified, like in a jail.)

But stupidity by a few people isn't the death knell of liberty, nor is it proof that there's some sort of vast collusion to steal our rights. Nor is complaining about the stupidity and randomness of the TSA policies (There's plenty to be puzzled at there... and the screeners are sometimes beyond stupid. Shoot, they can't even give you a straight answer about removing your shoes!) some sort of outrageous, anti-American, socialist point of view. It's not even a "spoiled by the good life" naivette.

In fact, I'll lay you odds, dollars to donuts, that the next major terrorist event in the US (yes, there will be another one) will NOT involve airplanes. Especially not an airliner. In fact, I won't be at all surprised if the next significant terrorist event involves homegrown terrorists, not Al-Queda or any other international terrorist.

 

[MJS]

The discourteous discourse seems to be going both ways...

yup...certainly a thread killer. I've already reported a few posts, but as always, I encourage the rest of the members to do the same, should they feel a post is rude.

Let's be real. The search was badly mishandled. At most, there should have been a visual inspection by a FEMALE TSA officer. I see no justification for, in an air traveler, cutting the piercing off. (There are situations where it would be justified, like in a jail.)

But stupidity by a few people isn't the death knell of liberty, nor is it proof that there's some sort of vast collusion to steal our rights. Nor is complaining about the stupidity and randomness of the TSA policies (There's plenty to be puzzled at there... and the screeners are sometimes beyond stupid. Shoot, they can't even give you a straight answer about removing your shoes!) some sort of outrageous, anti-American, socialist point of view. It's not even a "spoiled by the good life" naivette.

In fact, I'll lay you odds, dollars to donuts, that the next major terrorist event in the US (yes, there will be another one) will NOT involve airplanes. Especially not an airliner. In fact, I won't be at all surprised if the next significant terrorist event involves homegrown terrorists, not Al-Queda or any other international terrorist.

Well, no argument from me. In fact, all I was arguing, was the fact that the incident was handled badly. I wasn't getting on the subject of anything else.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Here's my question.

Isolated incident, or, one of many similar? Is it just certain airports, or all of them? I haven't heard of nor seen any issues at the Buffalo airport.

 

[Twin Fist]

Gov Bush?

oh man, thats rich

elected AND re-elected

and you call him Gov Bush

Seriously, i am laughing now.

MJS,
I didnt insult anyone personally. Just the opinion they spouted. For all I know Bob is nice to puppies and old people. He might be Mother Teresa incarnate. Newguy is I am sure a hell of a nice guy, he seems that way.

His opinion, and Bob's on the other hand are fair game.


actually I am putting my money on the next terror attack to be a dirty nuke, that comes in a shipping container to San Pedro, or some other port. Those things are pretty much never inspected

 

[elder999]

In fact, I'll lay you odds, dollars to donuts, that the next major terrorist event in the US (yes, there will be another one) will NOT involve airplanes. Especially not an airliner. In fact, I won't be at all surprised if the next significant terrorist event involves homegrown terrorists, not Al-Queda or any other international terrorist.

Nah-next one will be Chechens-without a plane,though.

 

[Twin Fist]

Here's my question.

Isolated incident, or, one of many similar? Is it just certain airports, or all of them? I haven't heard of nor seen any issues at the Buffalo airport.

human stupidity is endemic

there have been other incidents i am sure. And thats all this is, a really good example of human stupidity

 

[MJS]

MJS,
I didnt insult anyone personally. Just the opinion they spouted. For all I know Bob is nice to puppies and old people. He might be Mother Teresa incarnate. Newguy is I am sure a hell of a nice guy, he seems that way.

His opinion, and Bob's on the other hand are fair game.

For reference purposes.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58550

Anyways...back to the thread.

 

[kidswarrior]

NewGuy is just spouting typical liberal twoddle. You think America is in so much trouble NEwGuy?

I'm not NG, but may I step in here? I believe we're in a bit of trouble, yes.

Were you ever in the service?

1971-75.

have you ever been outside america?

Japan, Okinawa, Taiwan, P.I. (Subic Bay, no less ), Hong Kong, Japan, Fiji Islands, Australia, did I say Japan, Korea, and probably a few I've forgotten. Couldn't go to mainland China in those days, except as a POW, and by the time I got there, we were rolling up our stuff and going home in Vietnam, so I missed that.

Later in business in the 80s, England, Germany, Austria, and Hungary (when it was behind the Iron Curtain--hair raising).

Well I have. I have seen REALLY bad places. Cops directing traffic in South Korea have M-16's and if you run? they shoot you

I've seen Shore Patrol with the same bad intentions.

Police in the phillipines carry sawed off shotguns

When I was there, the bouncers did too.

THATS oppression.

Which part, yours or my additions?

America is a paradise

Well, I do agree we're not beyond redemption. But we could use some changes, and mighty fast.

regarding the incident in question:

I would certainly fire the people that handled this situation so badly. All they had to do was have a female officer visually verify that she did indeed have pierced nipples.

Weather they were just idiots, or she gave them reason to doubt her by her actions one one level doesnt really matter, they should have just had her searched by a female officer and let her go.

Agreed.

On another level it matters very much. Her attitude DOES matter, because if you are cool, the cops will be cool with you. If you act like an ***, so will they, and they will win.

Well, I could tell a very long winded story about getting rousted by a baby cop in Oklahoma City--where I was born, BTW, about a week ago on the way to my brother's funeral. I was admittedly in the wrong (illegal lane change on the freeway), but it was about 12 hours into a 14 hour drive for the day, and I'm a senior citizen. :yoda: It was almost surreal the questions he asked. Now I'm always respectful to LEO's, whether I particularly like them or not, and this kid was a nice guy, but a little...off. Maybe it was the out-of-state plates, maybe I looked half crazed after five states and three time zones in two days, or, who knows. But he ended up asking for my wife's ID too (she's a preschool teacher, so yeah, she is pretty tough) frisking me (squeezed the equipment pretty darned hard, too :wink, putting me in the back of his car (my knees don't fold like they used to), all so he could write me a warning--for which I was grateful, don't get me wrong. But really...look up my pic--along with our ferocious beast who he saw also--in the MT photos and tell me if I look like a drug runner or drug trafficker.

My point is, being cool with LE can mean a whole bucket full of different worms in different places, times, and between generations.

Let me clue you children in on a few facts boys and girls.

How old are you, again? Old enough to patronize everyone on this thread?

WAKE UP

The world changed one September morning back in 2001.

DEAL WITH IT

But that's the point, isn't it? Are we dealing with it, or just diverting attention?

I don't mean this to be critical, T-F, I think you've had some really good things to say on the board. But maybe if we all back off just a little and take a deep breath? Might all have a better evening.