mma ground work for the street

[tshadowchaser]

Dose mma work on the street? Lets consider what you are really talking about:

1. is this 2 people of the same size (height,weight,etc)
   
2. are the both sober,or is one or the other drunk(which one),is one high on something (which one)
   
3. is either a member of a street gang, a outlaw biker, military, law enforcement, etc.
   
4. Is this an isolated spot or are there other people around (friends of his or yours or unknown)
   
5. have you ever been in a street fight before, has he
   
6. do you know if he is armed
   
7. is this really in the street or is it inside a building (a bar, a bingo hall, a ball park,etc)
   
8. what happens when someone try’s to break it up? Do you consider them helpful or are they trying to help him, do you have time to even figure out why those extra hands are there
   
9. what is on the ground to fall on ,roll on, that can be harmful if rolled on or used as a weapon
   
10. there are more things that must be put into the question other than dose it work

 

[drop bear]

Of course. I don't disagree with that, however, in cases like that, how long is one going to lay there, controlling? Until the idiot in the fast food joint gets tired, gives up and leaves? Says he's giving up, then when he gets up, takes another swing at you? I'm not saying any of those things will happen, nor am I saying they won't. I'm simply saying, that prolonging the situation, for the sake of prolonging it, is foolish, IMHO. I'd rather see the BJJ guy put the idiot to sleep rather than rolling around, holding down for however long. But that's just me...to each their own.

The thing about controlling that situation is that you get to decide.

But is has happened as you described.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6V97Pnljj7I

 

[drop bear]

As someone who trains in the FMAs, IMHO, I think that approaching anyone with a knife, and having the intent to take them to the ground, is a bit foolish. Personally, I'd put control over the weapon arm, before I'd consider taking them down. Grappling with a knife...certainly a good idea. I'd have one person with the training blade on them, and during the grapple, they try to access it, and cut, stab, etc, the other person, who of course, should be working on not letting that happen.

Knife is difficult anyway though. There is rarely a safe answer to dealing with it.

I would like to see the difference full contact striking would have on knife defence. But it would suck to be the knife guy in that drill.

 

[drop bear]

Dose mma work on the street? Lets consider what you are really talking about:

1. is this 2 people of the same size (height,weight,etc)
2. are the both sober,or is one or the other drunk(which one),is one high on something (which one)
3. is either a member of a street gang, a outlaw biker, military, law enforcement, etc.
4. Is this an isolated spot or are there other people around (friends of his or yours or unknown)
5. have you ever been in a street fight before, has he
6. do you know if he is armed
7. is this really in the street or is it inside a building (a bar, a bingo hall, a ball park,etc)
8. what happens when someone try’s to break it up? Do you consider them helpful or are they trying to help him, do you have time to even figure out why those extra hands are there
9. what is on the ground to fall on ,roll on, that can be harmful if rolled on or used as a weapon
10. there are more things that must be put into the question other than dose it work

There are going to be reasons for not going to the ground. But they are not reasons for not knowing ground skills.

 

[MJS]

The thing about controlling that situation is that you get to decide.

But is has happened as you described.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6V97Pnljj7I

Absolutely! Hey, that's one of the things I like about the grappling arts...you have a nice variety of things to pick from. Like I said, anyone is free to do as they choose or as they see fit for the situation. Me personally, if I were in that situation, I'd probably opt to just choke the guy out, if possible. I liked that clip you posted though.

Knife is difficult anyway though. There is rarely a safe answer to dealing with it.

I would like to see the difference full contact striking would have on knife defence. But it would suck to be the knife guy in that drill.

Yeah, I've seen A LOT of crappy knife stuff out there. Fortunately, there is also some good stuff. While it's just one example, I like the stuff from RedZone and another guy, who's name escapes me at the moment, but teaches similar stuff.

Full contact striking vs a knife..sure, if you can overwhelm the guy with strikes...yeah, that'd probably work. Personally, I'd rather work on limb control first, following up with strikes.