Michael Bisping oh why you shouldn’t use BJJ in a street fight

[jobo]

Ok. So people understand how fights work.

There are elements of fighting that take place over a fraction of a second that can determine the outcome.

Also fighting isn't a story. It is a puzzle. There isn't a single narrative that determines the outcome. There are infinite outcomes determined by our choices.

So if you are on your back and the guy on top is hitting you you will probably have to deal with that first or you are going to have a bad day. And quite often that is by controlling the situation and denying them space.

This is regardless as to whether you are concerned that a second person might come in and kick you.

If you don't deal with the first problem you won't deal with the second problem.

So the very first order of business is quite often closed guard, deny space and gain yourself a bit of time. Then when you are not eating elbows. Stand up, sweep, submit.

clearly there are not infinite outcomes

 

[drop bear]

fighting multiple opponents is a challenge if you have multi directional mobility,it is more or less impossible if you kneeling on someones chest, you right of course standing isnt much better, moving whilst being upright is a lot better

Sort of. It isn't standing that saves you. People think it is and people get punched in the back of the head a lot for it.

It is running that saves you.

But kneeling on someone's chest is more likey to result in striking that stops them because gravity is a super power. And that is then one less multiple oponant.

If you are super slick at gang fights you can stand and cover the guy on the ground while your mate GnP,s him. And you can finish them faster than they finish you hand have two on one fights in your favor.

Even three or four seconds of that is a pretty a pretty big impact.

So you may take a risk to reduce a risk.

 

[drop bear]

clearly there are not infinite outcomes

Ok. I fall to the ground in the real world. What happens?

Feel free to stop when your typing finger gets tired.

 

[jobo]

Ok. I fall to the ground in the real world. What happens?

Feel free to stop when your typing finger gets tired.

well you either get up or you stop there, general,

but large number do not equal infinity, infinity isnt a number its a concept that comes into play when there are no more numbers left, nb there are always some numbers left, just stick another few zeros on, with the possible exception of the size of the universe, and even that is largely because we cant measure it rather than it cant be measured if we could see far enough

 

[jobo]

Sort of. It isn't standing that saves you. People think it is and people get punched in the back of the head a lot for it.

It is running that saves you.

But kneeling on someone's chest is more likey to result in striking that stops them because gravity is a super power. And that is then one less multiple oponant.

If you are super slick at gang fights you can stand and cover the guy on the ground while your mate GnP,s him. And you can finish them faster than they finish you hand have two on one fights in your favor.

Even three or four seconds of that is a pretty a pretty big impact.

So you may take a risk to reduce a risk.

if there is trick to multiple opponents its you position yourself fight them one at a time, fighting one whilst another is in a position to hit you seldom ends well

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Ok. So people understand how fights work.

There are elements of fighting that take place over a fraction of a second that can determine the outcome.

Also fighting isn't a story. It is a puzzle. There isn't a single narrative that determines the outcome. There are infinite outcomes determined by our choices.

So if you are on your back and the guy on top is hitting you you will probably have to deal with that first or you are going to have a bad day. And quite often that is by controlling the situation and denying them space.

This is regardless as to whether you are concerned that a second person might come in and kick you.

If you don't deal with the first problem you won't deal with the second problem.

So the very first order of business is quite often closed guard, deny space and gain yourself a bit of time. Then when you are not eating elbows. Stand up, sweep, submit.

Well and concisely put.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

well you either get up or you stop there, general,

but large number do not equal infinity, infinity isnt a number its a concept that comes into play when there are no more numbers left, nb there are always some numbers left, just stick another few zeros on, with the possible exception of the size of the universe, and even that is largely because we cant measure it rather than it cant be measured if we could see far enough

So, what is the number that delineates the limit to the possible outcomes from his statement?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

if there is trick to multiple opponents its you position yourself fight them one at a time, fighting one whilst another is in a position to hit you seldom ends well

All good concepts. And all mostly irrelevant in the moment that you are on your back and they have mount. That’s where BJJ has better answers than I’ve seen elsewhere, by a pretty good margin.

 

[jobo]

So, what is the number that delineates the limit to the possible outcomes from his statement?

two

 

[jobo]

All good concepts. And all mostly irrelevant in the moment that you are on your back and they have mount. That’s where BJJ has better answers than I’ve seen elsewhere, by a pretty good margin.

we have already had this exact conversation, if your on your back and there are multiple opponents, you've lost,

this to has only two possible outcomes either they kick you to death or they dont

 

[drop bear]

well you either get up or you stop there, general,

but large number do not equal infinity, infinity isnt a number its a concept that comes into play when there are no more numbers left, nb there are always some numbers left, just stick another few zeros on, with the possible exception of the size of the universe, and even that is largely because we cant measure it rather than it cant be measured if we could see far enough

Yes but half of infinity equals infinity. And as anything can happen from the probable to outrageously improbable. From standing up to a plane landing on your head.

Infinite is accurate here.

 

[jobo]

Yes but half of infinity equals infinity. And as anything can happen from the probable to outrageously improbable. From standing up to a plane landing on your head.

Infinite is accurate here.

but infinity isnt a number you cant times it by a number and get a number as the answers, its like if times love by two, the answer is still love, its the question that is failing to know what either infinity or love are

but the answer to your questions isnt infinity or in fact any number equal or greater than 3

 

[drop bear]

we have already had this exact conversation, if your on your back and there are multiple opponents, you've lost,

this to has only two possible outcomes either they kick you to death or they dont

Ok as they kick you they trip over and knock themselves out.

So that is now 3 outcomes.

 

[jobo]

Ok as they kick you they trip over and knock themselves out.

So that is now 3 outcomes.

you've clearly never done logic trees

that still only two out comes, that falls under didnt kick you to death, if you want to add an or gate you need to find something not covered the other two existing or gates, and as its binary i dont think thats likely, but go on, surprise me

 

[Gerry Seymour]

you've clearly never done logic trees

that still only two out comes, that falls under didnt kick you to death, if you want to add an or gate you need to find something not covered the other two existing or gates, and as its binary i dont think thats likely, but go on, surprise me

Outcomes in this context are the endpoints, not the immediate branches.

 

[jobo]

Outcomes in this context are the endpoints, not the immediate branches.

being dead is an end point, being alive is as well, there arnt any intermediate branches

 

[Steve]

Yep you were one of them who I thought would get triggered. What’s the trolling? I posted a video.

Do you know what trolling is? It's when you post something inflammatory for the sole purpose of starting some ****.

You are literally admitting to trolling.

 

[Steve]

Punching from under mount is pretty iffy. Not sure what your plan is for slamming from that position. “Sweep” as I understand it, is the BJJ term for moves from under mount to escape by putting them on the bottom, more or less.

well, technically, you can't sweep from under mount. But yeah, the idea is to improve your position so that you have options. From under mount, priority one is to fix that. Then you can think about sweeping or standing up.

 

[drop bear]

well, technically, you can't sweep from under mount. But yeah, the idea is to improve your position so that you have options. From under mount, priority one is to fix that. Then you can think about sweeping or standing up.

Hip bump. Like day one bjj self defense.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

being dead is an end point, being alive is as well, there arnt any intermediate branches

Nice binary view. Unfortunately it excludes all the variations that don’t result in immediate death.