Because, although he was a medical doctor, whose hobbies included beating people to death with baseball bats, he did so in furtherance of socialism.
Mel vs. Roman
- Thread starter billc
- Start date
OP
- Thread Starter
- #23
I guess the reason I only see people wearing Che shirts is because I don't see them on the days they wear their Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot shirts. Also, if you are going to wear the face of a murdering thug on your shirt, why go with such an under achiever? I like the Cheney poster, except the colors are wrong. They should be Red, white and blue with Liberty and Freedom at the bottom.
I suppose one had to have been there....
Somewhere along the line you ain't getting it.
Obviously you are born into a society of relative equality. I do believe those were not the conditions Che or even Mao found. Let leave the other 3 crack pots out of it for the time being...not to mention you are mixing things up again.
There is poor and there is POOR. There is the option to walk away and change things and there is the option to roll over and die, because option 1 is not available.
I think most of us don't have a concept of being so poor that dirt poor is a step up with no prospect of making anything better out of life.
great changes do not come without sacrifice. I am sure Napoleon should fall under the category murderer and terrorist. However he left a great legacy of unified legal codes and a restructured Europe for the better.
And a many things usually boil down to basics: land reform....
See, bill you can't have it both ways: You claim the pilgrims didn't progress until each got their own field to work for his own wealth. But that is exactly what put those socialists on their path in life: each man a field to call their own, to work it to maximise their own wealth and not that of one single landowner. That is where the rubber meets the road.
Archangel M
Senior Master
- Joined
- Dec 5, 2007
- Messages
- 4,555
- Reaction score
- 154
So "to make an omlette you have to crack a few eggs" eh? Easily said till its your dozen that is getting opened up. Hope you like peppers.
Peppers?
(at least I got eggs..)
But how did we ever get from Polanski to peppers...
Maybe The Onion will do one like that.
OP
- Thread Starter
- #28
After world war 2 with Germany, Italy and Japan in ruins the allies set up democracies that are thriving today. Che and Castro set up a prison island that didn't lift the regular people out of poverty and did not set up a democracy. Enough time has passed to show that castro and che were nothing more than goons, who wanted power for themselves. The only thing that differentiates Che and Castro from the others is their incompetence at mass murder.
You are talking apples and oranges again.
he was not in Japan or Germany.
Sadly we never got to that part of history in school it pretty much stalled out around 45 and we concentrated - naturally - on Europe.
But that is part of the problem we are having...
boo, bad socialists...as compared to whom?
you mass murdering socialist thugs - as you put it, from the perspective of the 'conservative establishment', had - at least in the beginning the welfare of the unwashed masses, the base of the human population at heart.
The other side? Preserve their grip on wealth and power.
Do trace your family tree back a little. Unless you descent from Rockefeller and Vanderbilt chances are the social thugs, starting from the early days of the mid 18 hundreds have thrown their weight and risked there lives so you don't have to slave away in inhumane conditions for pittance.
Again, we started out with Mel Gibson and Roman Polanski, how does everything with you turn into a socialist thing?
Nomad
Master Black Belt
Marketing.
Which is kind of ironic.
Maube because the people are both scared and broke under the capitalist mass murdering thugs.
how about option c: equally intollerable...
OP
- Thread Starter
- #39
We got to socialism when someone posted about people who wear t-shirts that say "free mumia." Mumia is the convicted cop killer who is, hopefully, still on death row. I just mentioned that there were people who still wear Che t-shirts. Regardless of any opinions about right, left good or bad thugs, Che was a murdering thug. My question was, Why would you honor this guy by wearing his face on your shirt.
