Mcgregor vs Diaz

Kickboxer101 said:
Well mickey gall is 2-0 as a pro and 2-0 as an amateur and finished all his fights and he's already fought in the ufc so he has that advantage already but even if brooks wins there's no way he gets into the top 10 or anywhere near a title
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I don't think he has fought in the ufc. I had a look at Mickeys fights and he didn't white wash the guy. Which would be a better match for cm punk.
 
Brian R. VanCise said:
I had McGregor winning rounds 1,2 and 4. However it was really close! My son had Diaz winning 2,3 and 5.
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I agree with you as does Marc Goddard UFC ref here, he says Conor won fair and square, no he doesn't know him!
Looking at social media it's quite clear that many people don't understand how an MMA bout is scored though.
 
I agree that McGregor won rounds 1,2, and 4 while Diaz won rounds 3 and 5. Apparently 2 of the 3 judges thought the same.

However rounds 4 and 5 were close enough that reasonable people can disagree on how they should have been scored.
 
Watching a good fight is just so fun!
 
Honestly I didn't enjoy the fight and neither man looked brilliant. Both have looked better. Mcgregor couldn't finish a guy he knocked down 3 times and gassed like hell. Running away with his hands on his hips. I hear the excuse oh he was trying to get to the centre of the cage. Well cool if he wants to get to the centre use your angles circle out stay ready at all times. The main rule in combat sport is defend yourself at all times. Mcgregor should've lost a point for running. I've refereed a large number of boxing, kickboxing and mma matches and I've taken points for that it's timidity. Also how long did he have to train for that fight it was rescheduled so he had loads of time to train he should not have gassed like that. Of course you're going to get tired but you should be in good enough shape to keep your composure my rule always was if your tired don't show it if your hurt don't show it. Otherwise they'll know it and use it against you and honestly there's no excuse at that level to not be able to get through 5 rounds without standing there hands on your hips sucking air and running away. These are professionals who do nothing but train.

Diaz also didnt look great. He really needs to check leg kicks and he didnt put much together with his boxing like he can.
 
@Headhunter Points for 'timidity' would be nice for the entertainment side of the sport. But that fight was very entertaining in the opinion of many, anyway.
But regarding cardio, who expected more progress in 5 months?! He went from 8 minutes to 25 minutes!! I was surprised. It was his biggest victory that night... Imagine what he can still improve next 5 months or 5 years (keeping the same attention on cardio). Good cardio takes years.

Anyone can say he survived longer more due to 'running away' than the cardio training. But the same applies to the Nate cardio. Nate is relaxed, slow and punches instead of kicking. It is not (just) the best cardio in the UFC as everyone is selling, it is an economic style...
 
marques said:
@Headhunter Points for 'timidity' would be nice for the entertainment side of the sport. But that fight was very entertaining in the opinion of many, anyway.
But regarding cardio, who expected more progress in 5 months?! He went from 8 minutes to 25 minutes!! I was surprised. It was his biggest victory that night... Imagine what he can still improve next 5 months or 5 years (keeping the same attention on cardio). Good cardio takes years.

Anyone can say he survived longer more due to 'running away' than the cardio training. But the same applies to the Nate cardio. Nate is relaxed, slow and punches instead of kicking. It is not (just) the best cardio in the UFC as everyone is selling, it is an economic style...
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I've done referee courses and you can lose points for timidity that's why can mirgliata threatened to take a point from Anderson silva when he fought Demian Maia. Yeah sure his cardio was better this time but really was he that tired he couldn't just bluff it and stay in his combat stance and I agree Diaz cardio is overrated and his pitter patter boxing makes a difference.

I'm not saying they're awful fighters because they're not but they've both looked better in other fights. Truth is it's a stupid idea for a 135 pound fighter and a 155 pound fighter to fight at 170 maybe they'd look better at 155 who knows. But honestly I don't care about a third fight it'll probably look the same as the last one the Aldo rematch is more interesting because we have no idea how that fight will look and you can't say mcgregor is a way better fighter than Aldo because of it I mean that's like saying matt Serra is better than gsp or jds is better than Velasquez because of their first fights
 
Tez3 said:
I agree with you as does Marc Goddard UFC ref here, he says Conor won fair and square, no he doesn't know him!
Looking at social media it's quite clear that many people don't understand how an MMA bout is scored though.
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Honestly i still don't. I know guys who do that sort of thing. But then i watch fights to see cool stuff.
 
marques said:
@Headhunter Points for 'timidity' would be nice for the entertainment side of the sport. But that fight was very entertaining in the opinion of many, anyway.
But regarding cardio, who expected more progress in 5 months?! He went from 8 minutes to 25 minutes!! I was surprised. It was his biggest victory that night... Imagine what he can still improve next 5 months or 5 years (keeping the same attention on cardio). Good cardio takes years.

Anyone can say he survived longer more due to 'running away' than the cardio training. But the same applies to the Nate cardio. Nate is relaxed, slow and punches instead of kicking. It is not (just) the best cardio in the UFC as everyone is selling, it is an economic style...
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Connor had to fight that way. Diaz had to counter it. The fight tipped from one guy to the other as they both employed their game.

If Connor had been taken down early in the round he was done.

I thought it was a great fight.
 
Headhunter said:
Honestly I didn't enjoy the fight and neither man looked brilliant. Both have looked better. Mcgregor couldn't finish a guy he knocked down 3 times and gassed like hell. Running away with his hands on his hips. I hear the excuse oh he was trying to get to the centre of the cage. Well cool if he wants to get to the centre use your angles circle out stay ready at all times. The main rule in combat sport is defend yourself at all times. Mcgregor should've lost a point for running. I've refereed a large number of boxing, kickboxing and mma matches and I've taken points for that it's timidity. Also how long did he have to train for that fight it was rescheduled so he had loads of time to train he should not have gassed like that. Of course you're going to get tired but you should be in good enough shape to keep your composure my rule always was if your tired don't show it if your hurt don't show it. Otherwise they'll know it and use it against you and honestly there's no excuse at that level to not be able to get through 5 rounds without standing there hands on your hips sucking air and running away. These are professionals who do nothing but train.

Diaz also didnt look great. He really needs to check leg kicks and he didnt put much together with his boxing like he can.
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Not really.if you throw hard shots you can gas yourself a lot quicker than if you don't.

I know a guy who fights mma but was gassing in a muay thai fight because he was trying to beat the other guy to death.

Energy conservation in a full contact fight can be a really interesting conversation. There is a lot of nuance to the discussion.
 
Headhunter said:
you can lose points for timidity
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You certainly can, it's usually called 'passivity' here but same thing. Incidentally it's common also in a lot of combat sports, judges handed out penalties for passivity in the Olympic Judo for example.
Can I ask who took your ref's courses? (sorry I'm nosy, :) just wondering if you are in UK, US or somewhere else) here Marc Goddard's courses are brilliant, he's done the occasional one of judging too which is something everything thinks they can do by just by watching the fight (and watching a few fights makes you an 'expert' lol) but in reality is actually a lot different and far more difficult, I've never 'enjoyed' a fight I was judging or reffing for that matter.
 
Tez3 said:
You certainly can, it's usually called 'passivity' here but same thing. Incidentally it's common also in a lot of combat sports, judges handed out penalties for passivity in the Olympic Judo for example.
Can I ask who took your ref's courses? (sorry I'm nosy, :) just wondering if you are in UK, US or somewhere else) here Marc Goddard's courses are brilliant, he's done the occasional one of judging too which is something everything thinks they can do by just by watching the fight (and watching a few fights makes you an 'expert' lol) but in reality is actually a lot different and far more difficult, I've never 'enjoyed' a fight I was judging or reffing for that matter.
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Yeah I know it's similar in taekwondoor karate comps if the guy runs off the mat and I can't remember the exact date I'd have to look it's going back a while now but it was with big John very good course I wanted to do a judges one but to expensive and I wasnt exactly rolling in cash at the time
 
By the way. Just so people know. If you are too close to the cage you become in significantly more danger of being taken down.

A take down specialist will force you in there.

Connor was never going to survive on the deck with nate.
 
drop bear said:
By the way. Just so people know. If you are too close to the cage you become in significantly more danger of being taken down.

A take down specialist will force you in there.

Connor was never going to survive on the deck with nate.
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Not always plenty of guys have used the cage to keep themselves on their feet or use it to get back to their feet
 
You train to use the cage, that's why we had a small one built in the gym.
 
drop bear said:
By the way. Just so people know. If you are too close to the cage you become in significantly more danger of being taken down.

A take down specialist will force you in there.

Connor was never going to survive on the deck with nate.
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When I fought a wrestler I made sure to stay close to the cage as much as possible that way they can't use a power double to slam you down and you can catch yourself on the cage
 
Kickboxer101 said:
Not always plenty of guys have used the cage to keep themselves on their feet or use it to get back to their feet
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Statistically how many takedowns occur off the cage in open space.

How many happened in the Connor mcgregor fight?
 
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