McClellan Blasts Bush!

[elder999]

He was a great speaker yes, he was also a criminal

He's also irrelevant-kind of like Ronald Reagan-whose presidency resulted in more criminal indictments than any in history.

 

[Twin Fist]

indictments dont equal convictions.

I gotta crash dude, talk to you later

 

[elder999]

indictments dont equal convictions.

Yer right. Here they are, Reagan adminstration convictions:

Elliott Abrams, Reagan's appointee to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau, cooperated with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges that were reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.

Deborah Gore Dean, executive assistant to HUD Secretary Samuel Pierce - convicted on twelve counts three counts of conspiracy to defraud the federal government, one count of having accepted an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and four counts of engaging in a scheme to conceal material facts.

Michael Deaver, Reagan's Deputy White House Chief of Staff from January 1981 until May 1985 convicted of perjury before a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury regarding his lobbying activities after leaving the White House.

Thomas Demery, Reagan's HUD Assistant Secretary, pled guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.

Alan D. Fiers, Chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force, and a career civil servant, pled guilty to two counts of withholding information from the Congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras, and was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. He was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.

Clair George, Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations, and a career civil servant, was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in connection with the Iran-Contra investigations, but was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.

Rita Lavelle, Reagan-appointed assistant administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, was convicted of lying to the Congress in connection with Sewergate investigations and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.

Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors regarding withholding of information from Congress as part of Sewergate, and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service and fined $20,000. He was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.

Lyn Nofziger, Reagan's White House Press Secretary, who was convicted on charges of illegal lobbying after leaving office, as part of the Wedtech scandal.

Joseph A. Strauss, Special Assistant to the Secretary of HUD, convicted for accepting payments to favor Puerto Rican land developers in receiving HUD funding.

James G. Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior, was indicted on 41 felony counts for using his connections, after he left office, at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to assist his clients seek federal funds for housing projects, and sentenced to five years probation and 500 hours of community service.

........talk to you later

Somehow, I doubt it....

 

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"...We didn't start the fire / It was always burning since the world was turning..."

Sorry man, couldn't resist.

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

So.....

What we are saying here is that all politicians are corrupt, to a greater or lesser degree in comparison with each other.....

Does anything else really need to be said?

 

[Makalakumu]

This might be a paranoid machiavellian fantasy, but I can't shake the thought that McClellen set a back fire to burn up fuel so the real bad stuff doesn't come out.

Hey, look at me, we were so bad, here's how!

Meanwhile the real criminals run while everyone is looking...

 

[Big Don]

Then again, there is the profit motive:

Well, why, all of a sudden, if he (Richard Clarke) had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he’s raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he is bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book and he certainly wants to go out there and promote that book

That, of course, is McClellan referring to that other selfappointed stalwart, Richard Clark.

 

[Big Don]

Or it could be just a family tradition: His father, attorney Barr McClellan had used information about his former partners at a Texas law firm as the basis of a book asserting Lyndon Baines Johnson had directed the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

 

[elder999]

Then again, there is the profit motive:
.

Yeah, and why not? He's got a story to tell, and people are buying it.....it's the #1 Bestseller on Amazon.com

 

[Big Don]

Yeah, and why not? He's got a story to tell, and people are buying it.....it's the #1 Bestseller on Amazon.com

Gee, maybe if he acts fast he can write as much fiction as Twain.

 

[elder999]

Gee, maybe if he acts fast he can write as much fiction as Twain.

Now, now, Don-his momma says he's telling the truth!

 

[Twin Fist]

This might be a paranoid machiavellian fantasy,

yep...LOL

Occham's razor

the simplest answer is usually it. he got greedy is a LOT simpler than some complex mis-direction operation

 

[FearlessFreep]

To sell a book....

Scottie McClellan's Book Proposal Defended Bush, Attacked the Liberal Media

But the trouble with such a book is that people with far more credibility and talent have been pumping them out for years.

The best Scottie McClellan could hope for with such a book -- assuming some soft-hearted conservative gave him a break and bothered publishing it all -- would be mostly heavily discounted "sales" basically given out freely to people who attended his mostly-skipped speeches at conservative conferences. "Sales," mostly at a bargain-basement practically-giving-them-away price, that would number in the tens of thousands... if it was a halfway decent book.

Which it probably wouldn't be.

But a purported takedown of the president... a tale of duplicity and impeachment-level crimes and misdemeanors from a "Bush insider"... well, that would sell like gangbusters on the left, wouldn't it?

Scott McClellan could not easily sell his book to conservatives, who basically considered him, at best, an amiable incompetent, far removed from any serious policy decisionmaking and with nothing terribly interesting to say. It's not that we wished him ill. It's just that we pretty much regarded him precisely the way the liberal media regarded him, as a nebbishy dunce who could barely string three talking points together, nevermind a whole book.

But change the audience, write the exact opposite of the book you first pitched to publishers, and you've got a chance at a bestseller.

...

 

[Makalakumu]

yep...LOL

Occham's razor

the simplest answer is usually it. he got greedy is a LOT simpler than some complex mis-direction operation

Not when Rove and company are involved. This is politics, not science.

 

[Twin Fist]

BDS

In case you missed it, Rove dont work there any more dude.