Machida admits to "banned substance" and is removed from UFC card

[punisher73]

I always have this issue with the news media equating all "PED's" with steroids. In this case, Lyoto Machida used the banned substance "7-keto-DHEA" which was just banned last year. If people are actually familiar with the substance, you can buy it at any health food store and many grocery stores. It's a health food supplement.

But, reading the news articles, they lump his "use" in with illegal drugs and other illegal substances.

Thoughts?

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[Dirty Dog]

Banned is banned. It's his responsibility to know and comply with the rules.
The rest is just splitting hairs.

 

[Tez3]

Certain cough medicines are banned for use by athletes ( not just MMA, the Olympics as well), just because you buy them over the counter doesn't make them any less performance enhancing or banned.
Criminal law may not ban drugs used by athletes because they are looking at different reasons to ban, illegal as declared by sporting governing bodies is still illegal.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

One of the big problems with places that sell health products, supplements, etc. is that this particular industry really is not regulated by the FDA. Meaning they can put all kinds of stuff in the product that may be banned by an athletic commission, sport, etc. A lot of products just awhile ago had basically "speed" in them. (not sure if they still do) If you are putting supplements in your body read carefully and investigate what you are putting into your system. This is endemic in the supplement market.

So DD has it right in that if an athletic commission bans it then it is on the athlete to know about it and stop using that product.
This is all on Machida.

 

[Danny T]

They are professionals and are responsible to know the rules/laws that govern their job same as in any other profession.
And there are consequences for breaking the rules.

 

[marques]

With the other topic 'MMA ban' in mind, why ban this (dangerous?) substances?
If it was authorised the science in this field could develop much faster.
Just throwing wood in the fire.

 

[Tez3]

One of the big problems with places that sell health products, supplements, etc. is that this particular industry really is not regulated by the FDA. Meaning they can put all kinds of stuff in the product that may be banned by an athletic commission, sport, etc. A lot of products just awhile ago had basically "speed" in them. (not sure if they still do) If you are putting supplements in your body read carefully and investigate what you are putting into your system. This is endemic in the supplement market.

So DD has it right in that if an athletic commission bans it then it is on the athlete to know about it and stop using that product.
This is all on Machida.

In the UK and Europe supplements etc are regulated. Manufacturers cannot put what they like in anything. However that doesn't mean that banned by sports and athletic authorities products aren't available, it means that coaches and athletes have to be aware of what they are taking.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

One of the big problems with places that sell health products, supplements, etc. is that this particular industry really is not regulated by the FDA. Meaning they can put all kinds of stuff in the product that may be banned by an athletic commission, sport, etc. A lot of products just awhile ago had basically "speed" in them. (not sure if they still do) If you are putting supplements in your body read carefully and investigate what you are putting into your system. This is endemic in the supplement market.

So DD has it right in that if an athletic commission bans it then it is on the athlete to know about it and stop using that product.
This is all on Machida.

Unfortunately (and this is not necessarily the case for Machida), even if you do research it you may not know fully what ingredients are in a supplement. Many of them won't mention that something is in it, or just completely lie and tell you x is not in it while it actually is, or vice versa.

 

[Tez3]

Unfortunately (and this is not necessarily the case for Machida), even if you do research it you may not know fully what ingredients are in a supplement. Many of them won't mention that something is in it, or just completely lie and tell you x is not in it while it actually is, or vice versa.

Then you buy from a source that you know doesn't have those 'extras' in ie from a country that regulates what is put in the supplements and tests them to make sure the law is being adhered too.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Then you buy from a source that you know doesn't have those 'extras' in ie from a country that regulates what is put in the supplements and tests them to make sure the law is being adhered too.

For professional athletes this makes sense, and it is what they should be doing. Unfortunately, it is an issue for the mass population, as a lot of the unknown sources have health issues, and most people have no idea that they do not disclose everything. A professional athlete should know this, but I doubt all of them do.

 

[Tez3]

For professional athletes this makes sense, and it is what they should be doing. Unfortunately, it is an issue for the mass population, as a lot of the unknown sources have health issues, and most people have no idea that they do not disclose everything. A professional athlete should know this, but I doubt all of them do.

Relatively simple these days to buy from abroad.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Only if you are aware of the issue, which many people do not.

 

[Tez3]

Only if you are aware of the issue, which many people do not.

Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[Danny T]

For professional athletes this makes sense, and it is what they should be doing. Unfortunately, it is an issue for the mass population, as a lot of the unknown sources have health issues, and most people have no idea that they do not disclose everything. A professional athlete should know this, but I doubt all of them do.

Why does this make sense for a professional yet not others?

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Unfortunately (and this is not necessarily the case for Machida), even if you do research it you may not know fully what ingredients are in a supplement. Many of them won't mention that something is in it, or just completely lie and tell you x is not in it while it actually is, or vice versa.

While this is true in the end the responsibility falls on the athlete to know what they put in their body. They will be the ones affected if they cannot fight due to having banned ingredients in their body.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Why does this make sense for a professional yet not others?

For a professional athlete, it is on their mind and something that they know they have to look into to keep their career. For the average Joe, if a doctor tells them it is ok to take a substance, there is no reason for them to doubt what their doctor is saying. And many doctors have a habit of recommending substances while not actually knowing every ingredient involved.

 

[Steve]

While this is true in the end the responsibility falls on the athlete to know what they put in their body. They will be the ones affected if they cannot fight due to having banned ingredients in their body.

Agree to an extent, but also understand that these guys are not doctors. They're athletes. While I agree that they are accountable, at some point nutrition and sports medicine becomes voodoo and witchcraft for all these athletes know about the stuff. They are told by people they trust to take this, eat that, jump this, lift that. In a sport where the slightest physical edge can be the difference, I don't know that it's possible to fully know or understand what you're ingesting all the time.

 

[Tez3]

For a professional athlete, it is on their mind and something that they know they have to look into to keep their career. For the average Joe, if a doctor tells them it is ok to take a substance, there is no reason for them to doubt what their doctor is saying. And many doctors have a habit of recommending substances while not actually knowing every ingredient involved.

I'm not sure what you mean. If you go to a doctor here you will only be prescribed what you need for your illness or condition, you don't get prescriptions for anything else. You will get what the doctor considers best you don't get to choose what you want. I've seen the ads in America magazines that press you to tell the doctor what drug you want, it doesn't work like that here. You get exactly what the doctor thinks you should have, even in private medicine. Even with that you should always look up what you are taking and the possible side effects.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Here many people will ask their doctors if they should take any supplements (and their doctor may make a suggestion) or ask if they can continue taking x supplement that they currently take, or be told by their doctor to take x supplement. They assume it is healthy if their doctor says it is, but oftentimes it is not because the company making it is lying about what is in it, so separate research won't really help

 

[Danny T]

Here many people will ask their doctors if they should take any supplements (and their doctor may make a suggestion) or ask if they can continue taking x supplement that they currently take, or be told by their doctor to take x supplement. They assume it is healthy if their doctor says it is, but oftentimes it is not because the company making it is lying about what is in it, so separate research won't really help

Just because a lot of people are negligent doesn't negate their responsibility to themselves to ask questions or research.
How does one being a professional change that responsibility vs a non professional?
A friend comes to you and says I know you have been working out hard and trying to drop some weight here use these supplements they will help. Do you take them, if so it's on you.
Same scenario but you ask your doctor about taking the supplements and he says most supplements are good and can't hurt with the weight loss. So you take them, it is still on you.
You are responsible for what you put into your body. No one else is.