Looking for some real info.

[terryl965]

Ok I know this is pendantic but you can't be "extremely" unique! or even "quite a bit" unique. You are or are not.
Loked the hovering bit though, is that mystical or the result of eating too many beans?

Could be!!!

 

[Jai]

maybe hes a GM in bean cooking as well?

 

[Tez3]

Over here in the UK the abbreviation GM is more commonly "genetically modified" as in food that's been messed around with by the scientists. It's something no one wants and is seen as a BAD THING!

 

[terryl965]

Over here in the UK the abbreviation GM is more commonly "genetically modified" as in food that's been messed around with by the scientists. It's something no one wants and is seen as a BAD THING!

Over here it could mean the same thing with all the self promoting individual around.

 

[MBuzzy]

Anyone ever heard of Bal Mu Do? No Korean on the cert, and the dates are written differently than Koreans write them - of course, the cert is all in English, so that could be the result - that one throws flags for me though. Seems weird that a Korean org wouldn't put any Hangul on their cert.

The Hapkido cert is written entirely in Chinese....That seems odd to me. Of course, I've never seen a REAL Hapkido cert. I will see one on Monday though, I can check it out. I do know that Koreans don't use too much Chinese anymore, mainly in academic publications and a few very common ones in newspapers.

 

[diamondbar1971]

if there is anyone on here that would know, it would be "Doc", it seems to me that he has really got it together.....i made some calls to some people that i know and they have never heard of it either,,,,but that dosen't mean that it can't be legit,,,i have come across some of what i thought was off the wall stuff in my 40 years in the arts and it turned out that it was true....if its a blatant lie, then that is something all together different...you come across all sorts of things like this all the time.....i was in a town in North Dakota a year
ago, and i saw a LimaLama ad, and they never heard of Tino Tuiolosega...and
you can go to a small town in Georgia and they don't know Ed Parker, but they sure do teach Parker Kempo.....this is the kind of things that totally send me over the edge...i don't know about how the rest of you feel about it, but i worked my butt off, as i earned my belts and to let this kind of crud go on is just moronic.

 

[bydand]

Actually there are several people on the forum that are very knowledgeable of the arts that are being questioned here. I don't get the feeling that there is any animosity here at all, just the paperwork and website has raised a couple of questions. It will be interesting to see how it all comes out in the end. If you post something on the WWW, you open it up for discussion and examination. That is what I see going on here, just examining the "evidence" given on the site, given the resources available to the members here.

 

[terryl965]

if there is anyone on here that would know, it would be "Doc", it seems to me that he has really got it together.....i made some calls to some people that i know and they have never heard of it either,,,,but that dosen't mean that it can't be legit,,,i have come across some of what i thought was off the wall stuff in my 40 years in the arts and it turned out that it was true....if its a blatant lie, then that is something all together different...you come across all sorts of things like this all the time.....i was in a town in North Dakota a year
ago, and i saw a LimaLama ad, and they never heard of Tino Tuiolosega...and
you can go to a small town in Georgia and they don't know Ed Parker, but they sure do teach Parker Kempo.....this is the kind of things that totally send me over the edge...i don't know about how the rest of you feel about it, but i worked my butt off, as i earned my belts and to let this kind of crud go on is just moronic.

Sir I'm really not questioning his training but the style, He has come to my school and ask if I would like to train with him, well I'm particular to who I personnally train with so since I dd not know him, I thought i would find out if anybody has any kowledge. In my 45 years of training I have always been able to find out some info. about people before I train with them and that is all I was doing here as well.

 

[howard]

The Hapkido cert is written entirely in Chinese....That seems odd to me. Of course, I've never seen a REAL Hapkido cert. I will see one on Monday though, I can check it out. I do know that Koreans don't use too much Chinese anymore, mainly in academic publications and a few very common ones in newspapers.

His name (Yoon Chang Shin, or Yoon Chang Jin - can't quite make out the last part) appears in Korean on the Hapkido certificate. Some of the hanja reads that the cert is for a 9th dan from the Korea Hapkido Association.

The Hapkido certificate is signed by In Sun Seo. You can find some very lively discussions about him over on the Hapkido Forum website.

Actually, it's not unusual for hanja (Chinese characters) to appear on Korean MA certificates, especially older or more traditional ones. Hanja usage is still pretty common in some Korean arts.

 

[Jai]

I guess the fail safe way of knowing if he is the real thing or not is to simply go have a look. Something we use to do quite often years ago. When a new school would open a few BB would go for a week or two. Nothing one sided or looking to run the new school down, but it's always nice to know who moved in next door.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I would like to know if anybody has any info. about these style or instructor or association? Just curious, he is opening up a school around me and actually never heard of him or the style, he says he mixes 4 in 1 and to me this makes no sense in the 4 styles.
Thank you in advance.

www.sbjd-ma.com

I am kind of short on time and maybe this has already been noted and discussed but it says "traditional martial arts" and then says "5th degree black: KungFu "

Sorry, Nope, no such animal in traditional kung fu and what kung fu is he talking about? If it is mentioned on his page I will check it later, like I said I am short of time right now. But saying Kung fu is like saying "5th degree black: Korean martial arts."

 

[CuongNhuka]

I am kind of short on time and maybe this has already been noted and discussed but it says "traditional martial arts" and then says "5th degree black: KungFu "

Sorry, Nope, no such animal in traditional kung fu and what kung fu is he talking about? If it is mentioned on his page I will check it later, like I said I am short of time right now. But saying Kung fu is like saying "5th degree black: Korean martial arts."

I mentioned that, and that I have never heard of Bal Mu Do. But, no one noticed (or cared).

 

[still learning]

Hello, One thing nice about "America" anyone can start their own business!

Everyone has the right to start their own martial art schools. So to say are they "legit"?

Who has that right? ......There is NO regulations or laws....opening a martial art school to teach martial arts!

This is a good example of let the buyers beware? ....These guys have a right to start and own a business!

Time or in a few months/years will show how legit they are!

They are real.....look at your own schools and see how real they are?

Would you like someone calling your school not real?

Opposite of real? ........is false?

All you have to do? ...is go and watch them run their classes! ....since you have so many years of training? ....you should be able to tell from just one class?

NO else can do that for you........? unless we live nearby too!

SEEING IS BELIEVEING (most times if the eyes is connect to the brain)....

Each system may also train different than yours.....so this may influence your beliefs of REAL or FALSE?

Aloha ( what right do we have to judge another school?)

 

[Tez3]

I mentioned that, and that I have never heard of Bal Mu Do. But, no one noticed (or cared).

There, there! I noticed and I care!

 

[Jai]

I noticed too but I was umm to tired at the moment to process it?

 

[Xue Sheng]

I mentioned that, and that I have never heard of Bal Mu Do. But, no one noticed (or cared).

Sorry, I did not have time to look through all of the posts before and I now see that you did talk about this. I would have cared and quoted you had I seen it before. I just chalk it up to the fact that we are not KMA people and they do not take us seriously :uhyeah: and to be honest… I like it that way :EG:

But now that I have time I will tap away at the computer keys and add my 15 Yuen.

Well on this page are all of “Grandmaster Yoon’s” Certificates
http://www.sambubjungdo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=28

But you can go to a Chinese Physical Education University and get a certificate in Kung Fu too. It will be a certificate in Contemporary Wushu and Sport Sanshou but it will still be a certificate that will draw a lot of students in the US. But as for being a Master or even Grand Master, nope, not going to happen after 4 years of cotemporary Wushu and Sports Sanshou. You will know a lot of pretty, amazing and acrobatic forms and likely be able to fight in a ring but you won’t be a master.

There is a point to all this. His Kung fu rank comes from the Korean Wushu association and that may or may not mean he knows only forms. The term “Wushu” in China is pretty general to the Chinese and can cover, performance, Sport, and traditional Chinese martial arts. However saying a “5th degree blackbelt: Kungfu (Wushu)” pretty much is saying to me that it is likely contemporary wushu for preformance only. But I recently came across a deffinition of Korean wushu as a combination of TKD and HKD but to be honest that does not make much sense to me.

As for the Bal Mu Do the only thing I can find is that it comes from Buddhist Monks in Korea and that really doesn’t tell me much.

 

[Jai]

Not only does it not tell you much, it also doesn't seem to add up. To bad I'm not in the area, I'm honestly curious.

 

[kroh]

'Sam Bub Jung Do' Training

Sam Bub Jung Do is NOT a common martial arts school. It is unique in that it teaches 4 martial arts styles as 1 from the origin of Traditional Martial Arts (Mu Do). Traditional Mu Do schools are very hard to find. Only a small number of individuals in the United States have achieved and are able to demonstrate the broad range of incredible skills and abilities needed to teach a proper line of Traditional Mu Do.

OK... I was mildly amused so i thought I would go to the web site for a peek. Um.... Kinda insulting. How is it that this person knows who can teach what in America? Also, he says that in "Asia," total package fighting arts are called Mu Do. Is Korea speaking for all of Asia now or is he "selling" to the lamen?

When you go to a web site and all you see running down the page is a list of accomplishments in strange languages... it blows away the lamen who might be looking for Yoda and scares away the lamen who has no clue what all this guk means. I have friends who are looking into schools for their kids and sometimes for themselves and when they see a laundry list they come back to me armed with a laptop and a blown bulb above their skull.

With all that said... Interested parties should check out the training and see if it is all it claims to be. The rest of us will shrug our shoulders and go about our own training as we always do.

Fun topic though...
Regards,
Walt

 

[CuongNhuka]

There, there! I noticed and I care!

Sure... but, not really the point.

I noticed too but I was umm to tired at the moment to process it?

Yah, I believe that...

 

[CuongNhuka]

But I recently came across a deffinition of Korean wushu as a combination of TKD and HKD but to be honest that does not make much sense to me.

Just one example of answering a question with a question (or three).

So Kroh, just how insulted are you? Are you insulted enough to make your own list of bizaar accomplishments in some strange (possibly made up) language? Do you want to go attack this guy with your "Leg of 1,000 Jin"? LOL