Kung Fu is CRAP?

[hedgehogey]

Hmmm...interesting thought. I would have to say that statement is wrong. There are a lot of good moves to counter grappling, mostly they have to do with controlling distance and then doing vital strikes to vulnerable areas on the approach. Another method is to change venue to an area that environmentally is not good for grappling.

Hold on. I have nothing against kung fu, but "controlling distance and then doing vital strikes to vulnerable areas" does not work, unless by that you mean sprawling, establishing a neck clinch then doing multiple skip knees.

And if by "change venue" you mean fight in the broken glass, that's an even worse idea. If I fail a shot the worst I get is a scraped knee (only if i'm wearing shorts). If I get a succesful shot, you are lying on the broken glass etc.

Some of the stuff you've seen probably is hokey, a lot is. I've seen some real stinkers myself. I think the biggest mistake that non-grapplers do when dealing with grapplers is they attempt to grapple as well.

Most of the time, you don't have a choice! If I ANY part of you, we are automaticaly grappling!

When that's not your specialty, you're not going to outperform somebody who works on that almost exclusively. If you're not a grappler, don't play the grappling game. Play the game that you're good at. Most likely that's exactly what the kung fu types you saw did NOT do, and thus in your opinion, the technique didn't work and made you "laugh".[/quotes]

So, when are we gonna see this stuff on the anything goes circuit? Cause "strikes to vital areas" are allowed in almost every vale tudo event and the gracie challenge. You could make a lot of money that way.

Really, what's so different about what you do? How is it different from everyone who's taken the gracie challenge before? Do you really think you're the first person to think "Hmm...these guys are grapplers...I PROBABLY SHOULD TRY NOT TO GRAPPLE WITH THEM!"?

I don't hate kung fu. But anti-grappling is crap.

 

[leehoicheun]

sorry to inform you but... you are wrong.

vital strikes are NOT ALLOWED in Val Tudo or any other sport competition. If they were.... a lot of eyes would be gone and throats ruptured. Get real man.......


I am not saying that grappling skills are not good but from EXPERIENCE I can tell you that I am an anti-grappler. I will make sure I dont go to the ground.... but here's the twist....... I train for the ground as well. Just because I dont want to be there doesn't mean I'm not skilled at it.

I hear that BS all the time "why aren't you guys fighting in k-1 or pride or whatever." Truth be known...... the arts that are suited for those COMPETITIONS (that right... they are sports competitions) are the grapplers and the Thai boxers. Do I have anything against them??? heck no.... I love those arts..... but I also know that in a TRUE no holds barred fight that vital strikes work........ why? because I have used them with great success on THE STREET..... not in a ring.

get real man.

 

[Kevin Walker]

NO, Kung Fu is one of the few fully integrated and effective fighting systems left on the planet. I have a lot of respect for Chinese Kung Fu, probably more than for Karate or Tae Kwon Do, as a versitile and adaptable method of fighting.

Kung Fu is capable of adapting to more awkward fighting situations than most other systems I've observed. Kung Fu also contains a philosophy, lacking in a lot of other martial arts, that allows the kung fu practitioner to cope with life situations other than combat.

What weapons training is inherent in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? How does Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu cope on a battlefield? Both kung fu and classical jiu-jitsu are capable of surviving and thriving on a battlefield, which is where they evolved in the first place.

Kung Fu is in no danger of dissapating or becoming extinct anytime soon.

 

[leehoicheun]

look at incredible grapplers like Eric Paulson. There is no denyng that he is effective in the ring. But here's a funny bit of info for you jar head grapplers who think you have all the answers. He is also a fully certified instructor in Jeet Kune Do under Guru Dan Inosanto, that's right.... a Kung Fu based concept. Eric Paulson knows the difference between the ring and the street. Do you?

we had an indicent here recently that was so funny I had to turn my head. A gentleman in our area who owns a martial arts school was talking about the superiority of grappling against traditional martial arts, boxing and so on. It just so happened there was a friend of ours observing who was a champion ametaur boxer (middle weight class). The boxer disagreed and the grappling instructor invited him to the mat for a friendly sparring match. The instructor shot in very fast only to meet with a devestating uppercut to the face. The instructor went flying back and looked like he wasn't all there :whip:

he said "Oh I slipped" ok... I'll accept that excuse.... but can you explain the other five attempts that all ended with you getting your face and body lit up by this boxer? :boing2: did the boxer ever go to the ground???..... nope. Effectively ANTI-GRAPPLING! :ultracool

these people have to understand something. Grappling is a good TOOL to have... thar's right.... I said TOOL... because that's all it is. I am a Kung Fu man who uses all the arts I have studied and the art I specialize in as my deliverer of punishment. I know the reality of the street and the ring because I have been to both.

this is a tired arguement headed by people who have no real life experience. get out there and walk the walk... stop talking the talk.

 

[Kevin Walker]

look at incredible grapplers like Eric Paulson. There is no denyng that he is effective in the ring. But here's a funny bit of info for you jar head grapplers who think you have all the answers. He is also a fully certified instructor in Jeet Kune Do under Guru Dan Inosanto, that's right.... a Kung Fu based concept. Eric Paulson knows the difference between the ring and the street. Do you?

we had an indicent here recently that was so funny I had to turn my head. A gentleman in our area who owns a martial arts school was talking about the superiority of grappling against traditional martial arts, boxing and so on. It just so happened there was a friend of ours observing who was a champion ametaur boxer (middle weight class). The boxer disagreed and the grappling instructor invited him to the mat for a friendly sparring match. The instructor shot in very fast only to meet with a devestating uppercut to the face. The instructor went flying back and looked like he wasn't all there :whip:

he said "Oh I slipped" ok... I'll accept that excuse.... but can you explain the other five attempts that all ended with you getting your face and body lit up by this boxer? :boing2: did the boxer ever go to the ground???..... nope. Effectively ANTI-GRAPPLING! :ultracool

these people have to understand something. Grappling is a good TOOL to have... thar's right.... I said TOOL... because that's all it is. I am a Kung Fu man who uses all the arts I have studied and the art I specialize in as my deliverer of punishment. I know the reality of the street and the ring because I have been to both.

this is a tired arguement headed by people who have no real life experience. get out there and walk the walk... stop talking the talk.

Yes, many years ago before the advent of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, wrestling was considered superior to many fighting styles. Again, a very good wrestler invited a very good boxer to go at it in the ring. And again, the wrestler attempted a single leg dive and received a flurry of shots to the back of his noggin, the boxer was wearing bag gloves (remember the boxing adage: "Throw bunches of punches"). The wrestler excused himself from anymore fighting. Grappling is good, but it is not the epitome of fighting.

 

[Angelusmortis]

As somone who has studied "classical" ju jitsu, and has a desire to learn Wing Chun, I can appreciate both grappling and traditionally striking matial arts. How about this for an idea, study ju jitsu based MA for specialised grappling, and WC for the striking??? Jees Louise...There is validity to most MA, the quote about it being the martial artist and not the art is a poignant statement. Utterly true, straight to the point. I have founf my previous jitsu training to be a tad reactive, as opposed to pre-active, and a little lacking in effective strikes, but pretty much all encompassing in terms of self defence. I'm fascinated by Kung fu too, particularly WC. In my mind they complement each other. My mind is like a shopping mall on Xmas Eve, open for business.

 

[ed-swckf]

well i'm pretty sure that a guy who trains full time in groundfighting and bjj is going to be very dangerous, but he can be beaten simply if he is put in a situation where he can't fight his fight, and when he can fight his fight the opponent is still unpredictable. Now i'm sure you all know this, and i think every wing chun school i have been to would advocate this: Know yourself and know your enemy and in 100 battles you will never be defeated. when you are ignorant to the enemy but know yourself you will loose 50% of the time. If you are ignorant to your enemy and yourself then you will only know defeat. Now i don't know how sun tzu would fair in ufc but i'm sure he wouldn't play the game of being grappled - remember "all warfare is based on deception"

 

[Angelusmortis]

Good point mate. Fight your fight, not his....Or hers. Let's not be sexist bout this, mind you, if yer gettin into a fight with a girl, you're a wuss.

 

[ed-swckf]

Good point mate. Fight your fight, not his....Or hers. Let's not be sexist bout this, mind you, if yer gettin into a fight with a girl, you're a wuss.

wrong, if you are getting into a fight with a girl you are a fool, especially if its your wife/girlfriend - you can be the greatest kung fu master but you have to sleep sometime

I am strongly against sexism, females place in martial arts should not be overshadowed by mens - obviously there is a scale issue as more men do martial arts but i wonder sometimes if you looked at it who trains hardest? I know some women martial artists and they train really hard. and lets not forget the classical history of this very art coming from ng mui.

 

[Angelusmortis]

That wasn't my point, I meant on the street. Getting into a fight with a woman when the odds are more inclined in your favour to avoid it on the street, in my book shows cowardice. I also am against discriminating against a person merely on the grounds of gender, and have known some damn good female MA's, but like I said, my point wasn't in the dojo, or training facility, it was for picking a fight with a woman on the street. There nuff said...

 

[ed-swckf]

That wasn't my point, I meant on the street. Getting into a fight with a woman when the odds are more inclined in your favour to avoid it on the street, in my book shows cowardice. I also am against discriminating against a person merely on the grounds of gender, and have known some damn good female MA's, but like I said, my point wasn't in the dojo, or training facility, it was for picking a fight with a woman on the street. There nuff said...

that wasn't my point either, that was an afterthought on sexism. But does it also mean its cowardice to fight another man when the odds are in your favour? I see unfair match ups all the time.

Is it cowardice to hit back when a women is kicking the **** out of you?

Or do you believe in values such as you should never hit a woman?

If so, when is this value over ridden, when policemen have to control violent or criminal women? when soldiers have to attack female soldiers? does this value only ever apply on the streets?

I do agree with you in the essence of what you are saying, but these questions do arise, i have been in postions before where i have had to use restraint on a women but i have never hit a women but theres a world of difference between self defence and bullying i'm sure you'll agree - so would you hit a women if your personal safety depended on it?

 

[Angelusmortis]

I see your point. About the self defence. Any woman not getting a hint to NOT try and start a fight with my good self, and then proceeds towards violence is getting a ***** slap..good n' proper. However, I stand by my initial point that picking a fight with a girl, like picking a fight with a weedy bloke is just cowardice.

 

[ed-swckf]

I see your point. About the self defence. Any woman not getting a hint to NOT try and start a fight with my good self, and then proceeds towards violence is getting a ***** slap..good n' proper. However, I stand by my initial point that picking a fight with a girl, like picking a fight with a weedy bloke is just cowardice.

completely, cowardice, which wouldn't be a trait many people harbouring sexist ideals would often be without.

 

[Angelusmortis]

Quite true...quite true.