Ki response to punch

[vic]

Does anyone do this kind of training? I know the title is misleading. The demo is for training not actual response and the punch is more of a push.

 

[dunc]

Does anyone do this kind of training? I know the title is misleading. The demo is for training not actual response and the punch is more of a push.

Like many of these kind of things the principle of intercepting a punch early and redirecting it is OK
These guys are getting way too carried away and extrapolating to simulate very unrealistic effects

 

[drop bear]

Seems ambitious.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Which training will give you better result?

1. Catch a punch.
2. Block/dodge a punch.

IMO 1 < 2.

 

[drop bear]

Which training will give you better result?

1. Catch a punch.
2. Block/dodge a punch.

IMO 1 < 2.

I assume it is some sort of concept drill rather than a practical technique.

But there is probably better ways to to drill that concept.

 

[Cynik75]

It can work but in extremely rare situations and usually by accident. This kind of dealing with punch during actual combat requires nearly superhuman timing.

 

[O'Malley]

Can't put the sound on right now so I can't check whether they're making sense according to my current understanding of ki/aiki work. The position in the drill is probably too artificial to gain any transferrable skill. If they managed to redirect punches to the face from some kind of guard it would be cool.

Otherwise you can do aiki stuff in punching positions but you're much more likely to make contact on the arm rather than catch the fist (cf below, especially from 1:00 onwards). Obviously you can't put any strength at the point of contact, which is effing hard to do in movement as you have to fight your own reflex of pushing back.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Does anyone do this kind of training? I know the title is misleading. The demo is for training not actual response and the punch is more of a push.

Theory and concept minus application and understanding of concept in the context of a real punch.

Yes, I do this type of training but I balance it out with application and understanding in the context of a real strike.

Engineers draw concept planes but someone must still fly it and understand in the context of flying

 

[Gerry Seymour]

I assume it is some sort of concept drill rather than a practical technique.

But there is probably better ways to to drill that concept.

There may be something I don’t know about what they are doing, but it looks to me like a misapplication of a concept drill, as if it were direct application. I’ve seen this a fair amount with aiki body mechanics drills, where their application within technique (indirect application) wasn’t understood.

 

[mograph]

We might want to consider that there might be training done outside this video that we don't see. As a result, we might want to avoid critiquing this video for what we don't see in it. Also, the meaning of what we do see might be informed by context that we don't see.

 

[JowGaWolf]

We might want to consider that there might be training done outside this video that we don't see. As a result, we might want to avoid critiquing this video for what we don't see in it. Also, the meaning of what we do see might be informed by context that we don't see.

It think it'ssafe to say that they are learning and discussing concept and not fighting application. Focus is on what to feel.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

We might want to consider that there might be training done outside this video that we don't see.

We can only discuss what we can see. We can't discuss what we don't see.

 

[mograph]

It think it'ssafe to say that they are learning and discussing concept and not fighting application. Focus is on what to feel.

Agreed. It's a sensing, integrating, and conceptualizing exercise, I think.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Agreed. It's a sensing, integrating, and conceptualizing exercise, I think.

I could be wrong, but it looks to me like it’s derived from that kind of exercise, but is being practiced as direct application.

 

[mograph]

We can only discuss what we can see. We can't discuss what we don't see.

Yes, that was my point.