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I vaguely recall (the only way I seem to recall anything) seeing some Thai-style fighters use something similar.I think wab25 has it. I suspect the issue is that the versions you show in your video gives less control over the leg and more vulnerability to punches. They can work in MMA. In fact, I have the vague memory that I may have seen similar approaches used once or twice. I just think the success rate will be much lower.
It's not so much grabbing the pants, but that the pants make grabbing the leg easier. You get more friction grabbing a sweaty leg with pants than a sweaty leg without them.In Chinese wrestling, the pants grabbing is illegal. There was one Chinese wrestling tournament that one girl grabbed on another girl's pants. The pants ripped apart and exposed the other girl's naked leg to the public. Since then the pants grabbing was seriously restricted.
I like to wrap my opponent's leg (under his knee joint) by my arm (above my elbow joint). It's similar to catch your opponent's roundhouse kick.It's not so much grabbing the pants, but that the pants make grabbing the leg easier. You get more friction grabbing a sweaty leg with pants than a sweaty leg without them.
I agree with the overall message - in a format where both strikes and leg grabs are allowed, single and double legs will be dominant takedown methods.
Another thought - the MMA cage floor isnāt a super soft landing surface, but itās a lot more forgiving than concrete or hardwood. If fights took place on a hard surface, then high amplitude throws (both Judo throws and big double leg slams) might often be fight enders. Would that change the percentages? Double legs can be used as big slams, but most arenāt. You need to totally capture an opponentās body weight to pull those off. (It might also increase the motivation for fighters to stay up when throwing, since you can potentially hurt yourself when you go down with your opponent while throwing on a hard surface.)
What's your opinion that "shoulder push single leg" is not commonly used in UFC?
Get leading leg from outside.
Get leading leg from inside.
Those clips don't show the proper entering strategy.
- Assume you and your opponent both have right side forward.
- You move your left back foot to line up with your opponent's both feet. This way his back hand can't reach you.
- You use your left hand to push on his leading right arm to his left (your right). If you have gloves on, you can use your left forearm to push on his right upper arm to his left (your right). It's just like a "left outside in block". This way his leading right arm can be used to jam his own back left arm.
- You guide his right leading arm under your right shoulder.
- You use right hand to push on his neck, use your left hand to get his right leading leg.
- You then keep moving forward until he is down.
Since your opponent's right arm is controlled under your right shoulder. Also since the angle that you move in, his back hand cannot reach you, You don't have to worry about his right punch, or his left punch.
Here is an example. By using this entering strategy, you will have less chance to be punched compare to the "level change single leg".
I think if you have a competition that has throws AND heavy striking, you get a higher-conditioned (not fitness, necessarily) group of competitors. It's a theory - not sure there's any way to bear it out. And at least some (I assume not all) MMA surfaces are raised (haven't seen that in BJJ comps), which can have a significant effect on felt force in something like a slam or high throw.MMA don't do slams due to efficiency. It just conserves more energy to run the pipe. You will still get a more reliable finish if you finish in the best position. rather than blowing your wad trying to pick someone up over your head.
BJJ ban slams because they are fight enders. And yet the mat is the same.
Your opponent's right arm has to deal with your right arm before his right arm can reach to your neck. Also if you are standing on left leg only, your reverse head lock won't have any power. Your opponent's single leg can run you down.head outside single(ish). You get guilotined.
It happens a lot in Sanda fight. At 0.23 of the following clip. Many different throws are used, but the single leg and double legs are not used in this clip.pick someone up over your head.
in a format where both strikes and leg grabs are allowed, single and double legs will be dominant takedown methods.
It happens a lot in Sanda fight. At 0.23 of the following clip. Many different throws are used, but the single leg and double legs are not used in this clip.
I think if you have a competition that has throws AND heavy striking, you get a higher-conditioned (not fitness, necessarily) group of competitors. It's a theory - not sure there's any way to bear it out. And at least some (I assume not all) MMA surfaces are raised (haven't seen that in BJJ comps), which can have a significant effect on felt force in something like a slam or high throw.
Never been on a boxing surface. I assume it's not as padded as a Swain grappling mat. But boxing rings probably have more give (spring) than the floor they're stood on. That wouldn't apply to the MMA cages I've seen set up on the ground, though, unless that entire floor is suspended (unlikely). But the raised platforms...those might have some give. Dunno - you'd know better than me - I'm just postulating from what I've seen but not felt.Harder floor in MMA. They quite often use a boxing surface.