Iron fist results

[opr1945]

Result....

 

[hoshin1600]

I think I know that hand. Lol
Morio Higaonna.

 

[opr1945]

Was it worth it? Today?

 

[Same Trick]

They probably also have a jaw of steel as backup ?

 

[hoshin1600]

Like anything else you can take it to extrems.. In my own experience you don't have to go to those extremes to see the benefits. But some people do, just to see how far they can take it. Like lifting weights. Most people get good results and have good benefits from it., then there are guys like this. Is it worth it? They think so. If you don't like it, don't do it. Lots of people think martial arts in general is stupid. Spending thousands of dollars and a life time of training for a theoretical fight you will never have.
Best not to judge others.

 

[opr1945]

point well taken, thanks.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Is hardening your knuckles/fist worth it? Sure. Is doing it to the point you disfigure it, and more than likely give yourself arthritis (which will also prevent you from making a proper fist, and mess with your grappling/locks)? Not in this day and age.

 

[opr1945]

I was watching a U-tube video on using Makiwara. The video was of a 10th Dan Grand Master. In it he showed a picture of his hands with very calloused first two knuckles taken in 2003 when he was testing for 7th Dan. Video is two years old according to notes. He is shown in the video using a makiwara. When showing how to strike makiwara in appears his callouses have almost disappeared.

Callouses I have acquired over my life have eventually disappeared after the irritation ceased. So the vanishing callouses should not be surprising. However, it did surprise me, none the less. Another life lesson learned.

Thanks.

 

[JowGaWolf]

There is a way to strengthen the knuckles and the hand without deforming it. In this age there is really no need to take it to the extreme simply because people do not wear clothing with amor woven into it.

Besides, Iron Fist is conditioning. A person would still need punching and fighting skills to make use of the conditioned hand.

 

[Badhabits]

I was watching a U-tube video on using Makiwara. The video was of a 10th Dan Grand Master. In it he showed a picture of his hands with very calloused first two knuckles taken in 2003 when he was testing for 7th Dan. Video is two years old according to notes. He is shown in the video using a makiwara. When showing how to strike makiwara in appears his callouses have almost disappeared.

Callouses I have acquired over my life have eventually disappeared after the irritation ceased. So the vanishing callouses should not be surprising. However, it did surprise me, none the less. Another life lesson learned.

Thanks.

Some people peel the callouses off periodically. Myself included. They get really ugly if you don't. They can also create a sort of cushion over the bone in the knuckle, which I feel like is the opposite of what you'd want. Fingernail clippers work well for callous removal

 

[JowGaWolf]

Some people peel the callouses off periodically. Myself included. They get really ugly if you don't. They can also create a sort of cushion over the bone in the knuckle, which I feel like is the opposite of what you'd want. Fingernail clippers work well for callous removal

Hitting softer helps keep callouses from getting too thick. Treating your hands medically after conditioning helps bones and skin heal better. One of the things that is really big in CMA "Iron body" conditioning is to treat the damage caused by the conditioning. This keeps the body from activating natural solutions like big callous formations to protect the knuckle from the damage that it's receiving.

Finding a good balance between hitting softer on harder objects and having damage that can heal quickly is the key. If you want to hit a target as hard as you can then you'll need to hit a softer target so as not to trigger the body's natural response which is to start building a callous.

If I want to be able to hit harder objects, then I need to hit harder objects softer and less often so that the bone is conditioned without triggering my body's natural response to build a thick callous.

If we look at why the Callous forms in the first place we can see that "Frequency" and "Damage" are key.

"A callous forms as a protective response to repeated friction, pressure, or irritation on the skin. When the skin experiences these conditions, it produces extra layers of keratin, a tough protein, to protect the underlying tissues. This results in the thickened, hardened area known as a callous. Common areas for callouses include the hands, feet, and other parts of the body that frequently come into contact with hard surfaces or experience repetitive motion."

They path that I explained above takes a long time because it doesn't benefit from developing a thick Callous. If you look at my hand you can't see any signs of a Callous building up. However if I stop doing hand conditioning for a year then you'll see my knuckles dry out and start to peel. The bone conditioning is still good but at that point, but the skin cannot take the same damage as before. I used condition my fist everyday = Very like striking on a heavy bag. My focus wasn't to hit hard but to drive the bone into the bag. Lots of punching technique very little power.

The only time I added power was for my second fist conditioning exercise which focused on impact conditioning. This conditioned my fist for the impact of a hard punch. It involved conditioning more than just the knuckle.

 

[windwalker099]

Any thoughts on the usage of Dit Da Jow (跌打酒) Iron hitting wine. ?
Used as a topical lineament sometimes heated the hands soaked in it.

Some make their own, others buy it...It can be expensive either way
depending on ingredients used and how long it's been aged...

 

[JowGaWolf]

Any thoughts on the usage of Dit Da Jow (跌打酒) Iron hitting wine. ?
Used as a topical lineament sometimes heated the hands soaked in it.

Some make their own, others buy it...It can be expensive either way
depending on ingredients used and how long it's been aged...

I would use it depending on the intensity and frequency of the training. Make sure you purchase from a reputable source. I would not heat it, heating could cause chemical changes. The alcohol in it should allow fast absorption of the medicine.

Make your own only if you have training in doing so and have the correct measurements for the ingredients and the preparation instructions. Some of the ingredients can be toxic so know about the ingredients used in making it. I would definitely try to seek someone who is qualified.

 

[isshinryuronin]

I would use it depending on the intensity and frequency of the training. Make sure you purchase from a reputable source. I would not heat it, heating could cause chemical changes. The alcohol in it should allow fast absorption of the medicine.

Make your own only if you have training in doing so and have the correct measurements for the ingredients and the preparation instructions. Some of the ingredients can be toxic so know about the ingredients used in making it. I would definitely try to seek someone who is qualified.

 

[isshinryuronin]

I would use it depending on the intensity and frequency of the training. Make sure you purchase from a reputable source. I would not heat it, heating could cause chemical changes. The alcohol in it should allow fast absorption of the medicine.

Make your own only if you have training in doing so and have the correct measurements for the ingredients and the preparation instructions. Some of the ingredients can be toxic so know about the ingredients used in making it. I would definitely try to seek someone who is qualified.

Such things, along with methods of dealing with combat injuries, were once a part of traditional MA (could this be a tie into another current thread? .

 

[windwalker099]

. I would not heat it, heating could cause chemical changes. The alcohol in it should allow fast absorption of the medicine.

Interesting, in our practice it was heated, a key component of the process. Burning hand

 

[Badhabits]

I started removing the callouses after the one on my big knuckle ripped off years ago while using the makiwara. Was doing an exercise where you place your fist on it and then torque your body into full extension, not actually hitting it. Had an old belt on it for padding, when the knuckle dug in and turned over it gripped the callous and tore it along with some skin almost completely off. Painful lesson learned.