Innocent bystander killed ~ Mayor calls for ban of Handguns

[Kacey]

I would say tougher CRIME laws, not strangling the law abiding gun owner with stricter gun laws. Implement and actually follow through with laws that include if a crime is committed with a weapon you do X amount of time, no if's, and's or but's. Social programs to help youth stay away from gang's and violence. That would be a start.

See, I don't think new laws are needed - I think enforcement of the existing laws would be sufficient. Writing new laws when existing ones are not being enforced looks like something is being done, but it's really just spitting into the wind.

 

[Big Don]

See, I don't think new laws are needed - I think enforcement of the existing laws would be sufficient. Writing new laws when existing ones are not being enforced looks like something is being done, but it's really just spitting into the wind.

You want a monumental task? Rewrite the laws. Remove the chaff and send Congress and the state legislatures out to get real jobs for six months out of each year.
ooops, is congress even in session 180 days in a year?

 

[Lisa]

See, I don't think new laws are needed - I think enforcement of the existing laws would be sufficient. Writing new laws when existing ones are not being enforced looks like something is being done, but it's really just spitting into the wind.

True, I agree with you. And it seems that is what the Canadian politicians want to do. Innocent bystanders getting gunned down, well then lets ban handguns in Toronto. In a city where you can't conceal carry already!!!!! Cause you know, by banning them, the gang members etc won't be carrying them either.

As far as the existing laws are concerned, they are enforced now. The problem is that they are plea bargained to lesser offenses. The time doesn't seem to justify the crime.

 

[Cryozombie]

True, I agree with you. And it seems that is what the Canadian politicians want to do.

Well, lemme tell you... thats not just Canada.

 

[Lisa]

Well, lemme tell you... thats not just Canada.

True, I wonder where the US would be without its right to bear arms.

 

[MJS]

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So how effective would it be for a major urban area like Toronto to ban hand guns...we live in Canada and can't carry already so....how is this going to help???? Ya think the bad guys are gonna listen?

A ban isn't going to help IMO. If someone wants something bad enough, they'll find a way. If anything, I'd say taking a harder stance on gun related crimes would be more effective than a ban.

 

[MJS]

In the United States, we have the highest incarceration rate of any Western Nation.

Would you agree, that this is an indicator of "tough crime laws"?

If you would agree with that statement, what do we do when our 'tough crime laws' prove insufficient?

Social programs are a good idea, but take many years to bear fruit. That does little to help our society now.

The laws are insufficient due to the wonderful legal system that we have. It makes you wonder when you see a rap sheet for someone and they have 50+ arrests! Makes ya wonder, "Hmm...and this person is still on the street because why???"

 

[MJS]

The incarceration rate in the US is not an indicator of being tough. I don't think incarceration in the US is handled in a way to reduce repeat offenses...it should either be rehabilitation or punishment; not an ineffective mix of sometimes this and sometimes that.

What social programs really bear fruit? I believe LBJ was on a good track -- education. Unfortunately for him (and us) he couldn't have guns and butter both at the same time.

I agree with this!! The programs for rehab are useless IMO, because the people in the programs don't want help. Its simply an excuse to get out of the cell for a while. If they really wanted to turn their life around, they would take them more serious. That being said, stronger punishment seems like the better route to take.

 

[Andy Moynihan]

True, I wonder where the US would be without its right to bear arms.

Gone. because that's not America anymore.

 

[Andy Moynihan]

The laws are insufficient due to the wonderful legal system that we have. It makes you wonder when you see a rap sheet for someone and they have 50+ arrests! Makes ya wonder, "Hmm...and this person is still on the street because why???"

If you see a rap sheet for someone and they have 50+ arrests, that person should not still be alive, wasting my, your, and everyone else's tax money because by that point there is no question of that person's disinterest in being any kind of productive, or at the very least *nondestructive* member of the society that person preys upon. We DO NOT need them, we SHOULD NOT keep them. Mercy to the wolf is cruelty to the sheep.

 

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[terryl965]

The laws are insufficient due to the wonderful legal system that we have. It makes you wonder when you see a rap sheet for someone and they have 50+ arrests! Makes ya wonder, "Hmm...and this person is still on the street because why???"

Mike I agree laws are for the criminal, they do not protevt the innocense and never had. We as a society give in to these self rightous premise that we can change everybody into good people. We have laws to protect animals, child getting wacked on the backside but God forbid we have a law that will actually take a criminal off the street for more than a year and then as a society lets make sure we give these criminals three meals a day plus a comminsary and visitation rights oh yea and before I forget we must provide a library cable TV and a workout room for them as well. Plus Medical and dental, hell why not tell the poor to become criminals so they can get better coverage why work for anything, become a prisoner so the government will give you legal advise so you can get out to do it again.

Man I hate all of these self rightgous people with all the high morals and never having anybody ever hurt by a criminal. Sorry a little tanget, we need to go back to the laws where you are actually punished and not sent to day camp for a year.

 

[Cryozombie]

True, I wonder where the US would be without its right to bear arms.

Where you ask? I'll tell you where... no... wait... I'll let her tell you:

IMO, THAT is what happens when you ban guns.

 

[Cruentus]

Where you ask? I'll tell you where... no... wait... I'll let her tell you:

IMO, THAT is what happens when you ban guns.

Awesome link... very telling...