Yes, i have met a 12 year old 2nd Dan but it was intended or anything.
I was promoting tkd club at school when one kid asked what dan my instructor was and i truthfully said 3rd and he said we has training under a 8th dan and he himself was a 2nd dan.
While it was harsh i just laughed in his face and called him a fake, the next day i apologised and asked if he could atleast come and watch the class, just so i could understand if he actually was any good but he turned to me and said "Thanks for apologising but I dont want to go because your instructor cant teach me anything because he is only a 3rd dan".
If you called me a fake, I wouldn't attend your class either. Nor would I want to learn from your instructor. Its human nature. You cannot laugh at and insult someone and then expect them to want to come to you for classes; you've already set up an antagonistic environment.
At this stage i was absolutely fuming with rage, i was thinking a ruptured spleen would go well with such pig headed and arrogant comment but i just left.
The fact that you were fuming with rage demonstrates a serious lack of maturity on
your end. You insulted him. You called him a fake. He will be defensive with you because you verbally attacked him first. You apologized. He declined your invitation on the basis of statistics: he trains under a paldan, you train under a samdan. He declined your invitation without returning you any insult and you are fuming with rage at him. Rage. Because a twelve year old that you insulted didn't want to come train with you.
You besmirched your instructor by behaving as you did.
You need to take a long look in the mirror at your own behavior, young man.
Now i wondering what i could to prove that he cannot actually be a 2nd dan let alone a black belt, i was thinking of printing article 8 of the kukkiwon regulations to show that his belt is fake but i would like to know opinions of more experienced people.
And what if his school is not Kukkiwon? What then?
And even if his school is Kukkiwon, this kid is what? Twelve? Like he knows the difference between a poom and a dan. There is no regulation in the Kukkiwon that requires poom grade students to be issued a belt of another color. Most schools give first poom students a black belt and a poom certificate. A twelve year old is going to be focused on that black belt, not on the color of his or her certificate.
Keep in mind, black belt is not a rank, but simply a belt that shows that the student has completed the geub grade material. That is. The rank is either first poom (under 15) or first dan (15 and over).
P.S. please dont tell me to forget him, why? because i would feel slightly guilty that i am allowing a possible crooked instructor exploit the naiveness of a kid, even if he dissed my hogu
I also demoed poomsae koryo infront of a massive group of people at school knowing that it may show that if a green belt can do it then his 2nd dan doesnt mean anything at all, it worked on everyone except him
Why is his second dan somehow meaningless just because you can do a blackbelt form at greenbelt? And when did your hogu come into the discussion? Before or after you called him a fake?
While I agree it's probably better to ignore any slight a 12 year old 2nd Dan may make, I can see it's galling to work hard over time for your rank and to have a child who by virtue of their age can't have put much time in.
Except that they're both children. Nuhash promoted his club at school, which the twelve year old obviously attentds. Sounds like middle school. This isn't an adult who worked his or her butt off for over a decade being outranked by some child. This is a child with eight to twelve months in being outranked by a kid with one to two years in.
I think nuhash has done well in posting because he's obviously learned something from this situation which has got to be a good thing. As for the 12 year old, as I said, pride goes before a fall.
Everyone keeps commenting about how prideful or arrogant this twelve year old was. I don't know; I just don't see it.
1. Kid sees other kid promoting TKD club.
2. Kid askes kid who's promoting the club what rank his instructor is.
3. Kid promoting club tells first kid that his instructor is third dan.
4. First kid is asked his rank.
5. Kid offered his rank by kid promoting TKD club .
Kid promoting TKD club laughs at him and calls him a fake.
6. Kid promoting club goes home and thinks about it and realizes that his behavior toward the other kid was not beneficial to promoting his TKD club so he apologizes and asks him to show up.
7. The first kid, being twelve, is as gracious as he can reasonably be: he thanks the kid promoting the club for the apology but declines to come because he's already learning from an 8th dan and doesn't feel that he will benefit learning from a 3rd dan (who's green belt student just called him a fake the previous day).
Doesn't sound like pride to me. Sounds like he's just trying to get the guy who insulted him off the phone. The OP posted a follow up that was a definite improvement, but he still seems to feel that his offering of an apology should result in the kid whom he insulted now wanting to come to his club. So accepting the apology apparently isn't good enough.
Daniel
