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dancingalone
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Many aikidoka would say that they have already failed if they have been forced into a physical altercation. 
As for the effectiveness of the skills learned in aikido, of course they can be, if you have trained for practical usage. The locks and pins are the same as those in hapkido or jujutsu, only perhaps executed with an aiki flavor.
As for the effectiveness of the skills learned in aikido, of course they can be, if you have trained for practical usage. The locks and pins are the same as those in hapkido or jujutsu, only perhaps executed with an aiki flavor.
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Manny
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Many aikidoka would say that they have already failed if they have been forced into a physical altercation.
As for the effectiveness of the skills learned in aikido, of course they can be, if you have trained for practical usage. The locks and pins are the same as those in hapkido or jujutsu, only perhaps executed with an aiki flavor.
When you wrote "..... with aiki flavor"... you are talking about spiritual harmony??
Manny
dancingalone
Grandmaster
No. When I say someone is displaying aiki, they are truly joining and blending with the attack in order to defeat it. If someone is "hard" and uses more strength than anything else, they are not practicing aiki. At the same time, those who seek to avoid the attack entirely are not practicing aiki either IMO.
Marc Abrams
White Belt
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My Aikido seems to work just fine when needed.
Marc Abrams
My Aikido seems to work just fine when needed.
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Manny
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Marc Abrams
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Manny:
1X: Backing up a friend of mine working as a bouncer at a big night club. I was covering his six as he was breaking up a bunch of fools. Someone came running at him with a bottle (yokomen-uchi type of swing). I bended with the swing and greeted him with an ude-uchi (I struck him on the side of the neck). He was launched over the bar into the bar mirror. My friends and I laughed our rears off at that one.
1X: Somebody intentionally spiked the rear of my heel with cleats after I had done a rear sweep tackle in soccer (clean tackle, but the ref called it a foul and I was just walking away). I approached the person, dropped him with an irimi nage and turned it into a choke. I told him what he did was not wise and not to do it again.
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1X: Backing up a friend of mine working as a bouncer at a big night club. I was covering his six as he was breaking up a bunch of fools. Someone came running at him with a bottle (yokomen-uchi type of swing). I bended with the swing and greeted him with an ude-uchi (I struck him on the side of the neck). He was launched over the bar into the bar mirror. My friends and I laughed our rears off at that one.
1X: Somebody intentionally spiked the rear of my heel with cleats after I had done a rear sweep tackle in soccer (clean tackle, but the ref called it a foul and I was just walking away). I approached the person, dropped him with an irimi nage and turned it into a choke. I told him what he did was not wise and not to do it again.
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Manny
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Oh boy!!! nice stories. That's why I would like to learn aikido, just using the force and momentum of the bad guy like in story number 1.
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Bruno@MT
Senior Master
Tbh, that is hardly a unique feature of aikido.
(1) is something you'll also find in most traditional Japanese arts like jujutsu and ninpo
(2) is executing a technique in an offensive manner. any jujutsu variant, modern or traditional, will get you that.
Marc Abrams
White Belt
What Bruno said is genuinely true. I have seen enough black belts in a variety of arts get their butts beaten bad by a good street fighter. You need good training in a particular art and then you have to be able to respond appropriately in situations. That requires both a particular kind of training and a particular mind-set.
I do not consider what I did to be particularly impressive. It was simply responding to a situation appropriately, with the "available tools" that I was able to use.
Also, the word "bended" should have been "blended" in my first response.
Marc Abrams
Best Aikido I ever used was in a gunfight...I don't say that as a "look at how cool I am" but as a comment on the benefits of your art. The gunfight was in Iraq, and how I applied my aikido had nothing to do with a perfect lock or pin, but being able to be calm and centered within a crisis or the easily the most stressful situation one can find oneself in.
Ideally this is a function of how you train, and Aikido does not hold exclusivity on this. Each style that you train in should ideally provide you with hard enough training that the intrinsic values that your individual art imparts upon the practitioner should easily trump the mechanics of a kick, punch, lock or throw. As with most arts how you train is unrealistic as to how you will actually fight in a "real" encounter. No one will tap gloves, bow, or wait for the ref to yell "hajime" It will be faster, closer and more agressive than you thought. Train with integrity and understand the context for what you are training for.
Ideally this is a function of how you train, and Aikido does not hold exclusivity on this. Each style that you train in should ideally provide you with hard enough training that the intrinsic values that your individual art imparts upon the practitioner should easily trump the mechanics of a kick, punch, lock or throw. As with most arts how you train is unrealistic as to how you will actually fight in a "real" encounter. No one will tap gloves, bow, or wait for the ref to yell "hajime" It will be faster, closer and more agressive than you thought. Train with integrity and understand the context for what you are training for.
Manny, I am primarily a striker, but the hospital wound frown on my kicking a patient. But the simple reality of the ER is that there will be a certain segment of the patients who will become violent. I regularly use take downs, joint locks and pressure points to control them.
