Why are you so invested in this?
Hapkido instructor claims that jump spinning kicks in TKD came from Hapkido
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Not sure what you're trying to prove.
I didn't say TMA, I said Hapkido. There is no top game, guardplay, sweeps from a guard, etc. NO rolling around whatsoever
Japanese ju jutsu has some of it and that's a TMA in my book.
You made the claim that the Hapkido schools you saw rarely did spin kicks. I just posted koreans spending a hefty amount of time devoted to just that. Are you following the conversation?
In the post I quoted, you actually said TMA. Maybe read the quoted post before replying.
As for the Hapkido ground game, I've found it to be pretty variable. Some schools seem to have a reasonable grip on it, while others are pretty bad.
So, some schools at least in Korea do a lot of spin kicks. You started this thread with something about the origin of jump-spin kicks. Then you got into small joint manipulation. Then you added in some stuff about ground game. What are you trying to prove?
What are you talking about? Every notable Hapkido expert in the 70s was a spin kicker.
Whang in Sikh
Ji han Jae in Hane of death etc.
Define reasonable grip. If they don't know the fundamentals of submission grappling on the ground (top position, guard, side control, sweeps) they don't stand a chance against anyone passed beginner in BJJ or Judo for that matter
Because it related to your objection that Hapkido and Taekwondo are differential arts. I quoted a student of an instructor who barely did any joint manipulation and wrist locks, yet trained in a Hapkido school.
What I then did was simply add to his statement that wrist locks are irrelevant on somebody doing a tackle on you, because there is no time to perform it.
The clip posted in response to that was grip fighting without takedowns.
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I simply forgot about Japanese Ju Jutsu
The problem isn't not knowing BJJ. The guy literally won a BJJ match without doing any BJJ. All he used was a wrist lock. match over.
Wrist locks are wrist locks. It doesn't matter which system is doing it. The principles of locking the wrist will still be the same.
The Hapkido schools that I've been to in the US. don't do kicks like that. You'll see kicks like that in TKD schools here, but not in Hapkido schools here. What you see in regards to Hapkido is probably based on what's popular there. The thing that I often see done in Hapkido schools here is grappling and throws.
All Hapkido schools aren't the same.
You can't apply them without controlling the opponent first with wrestling, which is impossible for a Hapkido expert since he doesn't do wrestling in his art.
Beck Martial Arts - Controversial Hapkido Frequently Asked Questions
What's the difference between Sin Moo Hapkido and other kinds of Hapkido?
Not much. There is a lot of variance throughout Hapkido, with a wide spread of the amounts of focus on particular types of techniques. But to be called Hapkido it should have some defenses versus all ranges and all types of attacks; and it should include kicks, strikes, throws, joint locks, and pressure points. The percentage of time spent on any particular types of techniques varies much more with the particular instructor than with a particular HKD organization or kwan. Sin Moo Hapkido has essentially the same techniques as other kinds of Hapkido.
Nor are TKD schools. That doesn't negate the fact that at their core, the content is the same or virtually the same, just intermixed differently
I don't believe your anecdote and regardless, the US is hardly representative of a KOREAN martial art. The US is infamous for watering down and destroying martial arts and creating Mcdojos
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