Hapidoish Taekwondo Training

[Archtkd]

' As you see from Archtka's post above, there are only 33 8th Dan TKD GM's in the world of KKW. What I meant above was that I would not have expected a native of Singapore to take up TKD, but rather a native MA or a Chinese MA. I find it interesting in a positive way which is why I said 'Good for him.' I am sorry if you find that offensive. It wasn't meant to be so.
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Sir: Those stats are for China only. Korea and the US have more 8th and 9th dans: Here are the U.S stats:

U.S POOM/DAN COUNT

1 POOM 136,656
2 POOM 20,846
3 POOM 2,711
4 POOM 318
1 DAN 83,554
2 DAN 26,581
3 DAN 11,590
4 DAN 4,567
5 DAN 1,792
6 DAN 670
7 DAN 387
8 DAN 70
9 DAN 71
10 DAN 1
TOTAL 289,814

 

[Kong Soo Do]

@Archtkd,

Do you know what the Korean stats are for poom/Dan?

 

[Archtkd]

@Archtkd,

Do you know what the Korean stats are for poom/Dan?

Sir: I don't have the current ones -- they are not listed anymore, but I can dig up some older ones when I get to my dojang. I will also ask my contacts at the Kukkiwon.

 

[WaterGal]

How about adressing my first point?.Several of those low kicks are not taught. Are you disputing that? No, I am not a white belt.

Did you watch the whole video, or just the first part? Because my initial reaction to the first few seconds was also that it seemed unfamiliar, but I realized as I watched the rest that that was just because his stance and footwork are different from what I'm used to seeing when demonstrating basic kicks, and because he's moving faster than the low-quality video can really track so it's a bit of a blur. But he's just doing side kick, crescent kick, hook kick, etc, routine stuff in both HKD and TKD.

 

[Kong Soo Do]

Sir: I don't have the current ones -- they are not listed anymore, but I can dig up some older ones when I get to my dojang. I will also ask my contacts at the Kukkiwon.

I appreciate that. I found the Chinese/U.S. lists very interesting. Quite a few more higher Dans that I would have thought initially. But it makes sense, particularly for the larger countries to have an in-place hierarchy. Though I've been a critic on some KKW politics in the past, I have to give credit where it is due. They have an impressive organizational set up from an administrative perspective. Yes, problems have occurred in the past, but with the sheer numbers they govern, it is impressive overall.

These lists also give good indicators of who stays in the art past first Dan. You can't be totally accurate of course because any level will have people that have attained the level and then quite as well as people who are currently at the level and haven't progressed to the next yet.

 

[TrueJim]

@Archtkd,

Do you know what the Korean stats are for poom/Dan?

For many (but not all) countries, you can get the poom/dan count from the Kukkiwon website, here: K.M.S Unifying the world with Taekwondo We are the KUKKIWON family Unfortunately, R.O.K. is not one of the countries for which summary statistics are provided.

You can also use that website to find Kukkiwon affiliated schools -- it's actually pretty neat.

 

[Archtkd]

@Archtkd,

Do you know what the Korean stats are for poom/Dan?

Here are some Korean stats I pulled back in 2001, which might give you some ideas about the numbers:

REPUBLIC OF KOREA

POOM/DAN COUNT as of Dec. 9. 2001

1 POOM 1,030,273
2 POOM 429,904
3 POOM 123,745
4 POOM 5.595
1 DAN 2442693
2 DAN 197,160
3 DAN 84,667
4 DAN 33,592
5 DAN 12,588
6 DAN 3,242
7 DAN 1,222
8 DAN 585
9 DAN 179
10 DAN 4

TOTAL 2,775,932

 

[Kong Soo Do]

Thanks ArchTKD

 

[Chrisoro]

I train both, but when I started doing TKD in the early nineties, one of our instructors thought us various joint locks as part of ho sin sul, some of which I have later learned in almost the exact same form in Hapkido, especially the ones as followups from knife and club defense. I think a lot of the ho sin sul out there are either based on hapkido or are straight out hapkido taught by instructors with training in both arts.