Haov

[FearlessFreep]

As mentioned in another thread, thought this might be useful
(from http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltl2y/karate/html/jeffnashhaov.htm)
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Habitual Acts of Violence: Part One
Male on Male, Close Quarters.
These are listed in frequency order.
1. One person pushes, hands to chest, which is normally followed by the pushee striking first, to the head.
2. A swinging punch to the head.
3. A front clothing grab, one handed, followed by punch to the head.
4. A front clothing grab, two hands, followed by a head butt.
5. A front clothing grab, two hands, followed by a knee to the groin.
6. A bottle, glass, or ashtray to the head.
7. A lashing kick to groin/lower legs.
8.A broken bottle/glass jabbed to face.
9. A slash with knife, most commonly a 3 to 4"lockblade knife or kitchen utility knife. (Apart from muggings, sexual assaults and gang violence, the hunting/combat type knife is seldom used)
10.A grappling style head lock.


Habitual Acts of Violence: Part Two
Offences against the person, male on female
These are listed in frequency order.
This data was gathered from interviews with victims and offenders and from statements. Data only covers robbery/sexual methodology and changes relative to first contact with victim ie., venue/ night/day etc.
Domestic violence is not covered as this is a specific subject of its' own.
1. The victim was approached from the rear/side/front, a threat was made with a weapon, and then the weapon was hidden.
Then the victim's right upper arm was held by the attacker's left hand and the victim was led away.
2. A silent or rushing approach was made from the victim's rear, and then a rear neck/head lock applied and the victim dragged away.
3. The same approach as in #2, with a rear waist grab. The victim was carried/dragged away, normally into bushes/alley etc.
4. The victim was pinned to a wall with a throat grab with the attacker's left hand. A weapon-shown threat was made, and then the weapon hidden, and the victim led away.
5. The victim was approached from rear/ front/side. The attacker grabbed the victim's hair with his left hand, and then she was dragged away.
The Most Common Wrist Grips, Male On Female.
1. The attacker's left hand, thumb uppermost, gripping the victim's raised right wrist. The attacker threatens/ gesticulates with his right hand.
2. With the victim's right arm down, the attacker grips the victim's right upper arm with his left hand and her right wrist with his right hand.
3. The victim raises both arms, with both of her wrists gripped. The attacker's hands are vertical with the attacker's thumbs uppermost.
4. With the victim's arms down, the attacker grabs both upper arms.
5. With the victim's right arm down, the attacker's left hand grabs just below the right elbow, and his right hand grabs her wrist.

 

[exile]

A historical note: the systematic study of HAOVs was initiated by Patrick McCarthy, one of our own members and a legend in the 'practical/applied kata'/realistic bunkai movement (a useful sketch of his contributions can be found here). This kind of data is discussed in connection with specific oyo/applications both in Bill Burgar's Five Years, One Kata, an in-depth—like, down the to the magma!—analysis of the fighting content of Gojushiho—and John Titchen Heian Flow System, which has a whole chapter devoted to this kind of data—compiled from police reports, prison documentation and other externally corroborated records—along with interpretations of the Pinan kata that address the violence initiators described in this documentation. As is clear from both sources, and from the earlier work of Iain Abernethy, the founders of the karate-based MAs were perfectly aware of this kind of HAOV data, and were thinking primarily of it when they designed the combat forms that TMAists are familiar with.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Isn't this Patrick McCarthy's habitual acts of physical violence (HAPV)?

First off, Pareto's principle, 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes, well it's a general principle and is more of a guess than an exact figure. It's used incorrectly to support the theory that 80% of what you train in in traditional martial arts isn't useful (as you will see in such books as "75 Down Blocks: Refining Karate Techniques" by Rick Clark.)

Now I have to admit, alot of what we do in katas, and even SD practice, are not what I'd call cutting edge. But then, martial arts are 'arts' to, as well as SD practice. So expect to get some techniques that are either not relivant for today's environment or require impressive gymnastics to execute.

This is why I have 'invented' SD techniques I feel are much better than what are passed out to Gup ranks in alot of places (I admit my methods are JKD based and I have no doubt others have done the same techniques and nothing I'm doing is origional or earth shattering.)

As for common attacks that are most likely, most of those attacks are already addressed in most basic SD portions of classes (except maybe the head butt.) They are not practiced 80 percent of the time because they don't need that much practice to understand what to do if attacked that way.

The key is improvisation and adaption. Your SD methods should work for several types of attacks if possible as it elimiates much extra training.

Take a look at the list given and then see how many can be defeated by the same SD technique.

Deaf

 

[Errant108]

My concern is that this creates more dead training. You become stuck in a mindset of "if-then", and just drill "responses", rather than learning how to fight.

 

[exile]

My concern is that this creates more dead training. You become stuck in a mindset of "if-then", and just drill "responses", rather than learning how to fight.

The logic of responses to particular attacks and the conditioning and training which allows you to apply that logic confidently and competently to real-time violence are two different things, although neither one can stand on its own. Learning the general method for solving a particular kind of equation doesn't mean that you will actually be able to solve an arbitrary instance of such an equation pulled from a hat and plunked down in front of you. The method will work if applied correctly, but to ensure you actually do apply it correctly you have to solve hundreds or thousands of equations of that type. Knowing the principles that make a slalom ski turn happen will get you exactly nowhere in the gates unless you ski hundreds of runs on all gradients, on all snow conditions, until you can 'live' the physics of a short-radius ski turn infallibly no what what the course is like. And so on and on. There are strategic principles that you need to understand, there are a variety of tactics that implement those principles, and there are hours spent pressure-testing that implementation under increasingly noncompliant circumstances. As Abernethy, Peyton Quinn, Geoff Thompson and others with decades of street combat experience working nightclub security report, that kind of noncompliant training is both essential and rather unpleasant, with a certain degree of injury a not entirely unexpected consequence. But if you want your skills to be street ready, there's no other way to ensure that.

There are multiple combat scenarios built into each kata; much of the value of a lot of current work on bunkai arises from the demonstration, in work such as McCarthy's, Burgar's and the like that these scenarios start from realistic assumptions about what HAOVs a defender will face. The technical side and the training side are logically distinct, but someone who wants to be a competent fighter where violence cannot be evaded will need to be capable on both fronts.