Odin
2nd Black Belt
To be fair this is not the only drug test he has done.....and he's been clean since then.
I realyl dont think it harms his legacy at all.
Gracie Fails Drug Test, Suspended
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To be fair this is not the only drug test he has done.....and he's been clean since then.
I realyl dont think it harms his legacy at all.
Odin
2nd Black Belt
I think we are all getting a wee bit other excited.
The nevada state are very strict on drugs, not all fighters are on them.
If the story is true, all I can say is-- very sad!
kaizasosei
Master Black Belt
i do think that all drugs are not good and kindof a shameful thing...but i would rather know that a fighter was on some recreational drugs rather than steroids or hormones and the like. it is kindof sad for me too although i am not the purest anymore, i have never ever even considered messing around with such things as steroids..also, i don't think that edge it gives is anything that special...i'm sure there are many weaknesses and negative sides.
j
j
Having been around athletes most of my life I can honestly say that in competition they are always generally looking for a way to improve and to win. Inevitably now a days and even back in the day this has led to the decision of should I do steriods to improve my chances. Do not fool yourself into thinking that any athlete has not considered or participated in such activity. Personally out of the large majority of athletes that I know I can count on roughly two hands the number of athletes who did not take some type of performance enhancing steroid. Add in the potential for massive amounts of money and the temptation is even greater.
Personally I wish Royce would not have succombed. Having rolled with him and talked with him he is a really nice guy.
Personally I wish Royce would not have succombed. Having rolled with him and talked with him he is a really nice guy.
This brings into question the veracity and ultimate purpose of drug testing. If so many people are on the gear and get by with it, why bother testing at all? BTW - I read an article that stated that 1/4 or 1/2 high school althletes are using steriods. I'll see if I can find it.
Ninjamom
2nd Black Belt
Ah, c'mon, Exile!! You just told me that Santa Claus died!
Am I surprised at this development? NO.
Am I saddened by it? Yes.
I think ST's speculations are probably only a decade or so from becoming realized, based on what I've read about the way that genetic fine-tuning is being ramped up to larger and larger organisms. So far as I know, there has never been any kind of structure that humans beings, once they understood, have not devised effective ways of altering to suit their specifications. It's not a matter of if, but when, as they say. And it will happen, simply because spectator sports are driven, ultimately, by the gate receipts, and people will pay to see more spectacular performances. How those performances came about, and the price that was paid, is of no concern to either the audience or the industry promoters, by and large.
In response to Odin's post that we're getting to upset about this, I have to say that I don't think anyone is getting distraught over this. The reason the issue is troubling is not just a matter of sport performance, however, but the whole vast ethical territory that wiring people for specific purposes raises, along the lines of ST's post. Anyone who's read James Blish's The Seedling Stars has had a preview (from an astonishingly prescient writer) of what could lie up the line—there's a very good summary and overview of the book at
http://www.sfsite.com/08b/ss110.htm
—but the moral questions, and the impact on our own society, have only begun to open up...
Always, it seems, our heroic figures let us down in the end. The world of professional athletic competition becomes an increasingly bitter one as once-dominant athletes approach the end of their reign. And for those who don't have that status but still have to make a living in their sport, there may be little choice, practically speaking.
That pretty much summarizes it, NJMM....
Odin
2nd Black Belt
The whole concept of fighters being ''wired'' for combat is a bit to sci-fi fantasy for my liking, im not going to say its not possiable since it has been so since the 50's but the main point of it will always be that governing bodies and even the sports fans just wouldnt allow it, you can see that just be reading the posts on this topic.
Also something people seem to get confused is that a fighter doesnt take steriods for the fight, he tends instead to take then to enhance his training for the fight, steriods do not increase ones skill or flexability or pain barrier...all they tend to do is increase muscle size. ( and some can increase aggresion levels, but wether that is a good thing is debate in its self)
I found this...its a wikipedia article on the substance that Gracie took.
The bit at the bottom is quite interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone
Also something people seem to get confused is that a fighter doesnt take steriods for the fight, he tends instead to take then to enhance his training for the fight, steriods do not increase ones skill or flexability or pain barrier...all they tend to do is increase muscle size. ( and some can increase aggresion levels, but wether that is a good thing is debate in its self)
I found this...its a wikipedia article on the substance that Gracie took.
The bit at the bottom is quite interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone
