Flow vs Basics

[Henso]

My opinion is that we must be able throw away our perception of the basics, only to return and discover what we could not see when we viewed them as such. This allows us to trancend the limits of our capacity to understand a movement or concept at any given time, and yet return to the very same in cycle of new revelation as we grow.

All of that being said, it could just be the wine, though!

 

[Cryozombie]

Yes, nim, to clarify, by broken rhythm do you mean, disruptive timing? Can you clarify the term?
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[Grey Eyed Bandit]

... On the other hand, someone gave me a neg rep point today for my previous post in this thread yet failed to give a reason or sign their name. That's really pathetic.

Not me. Honestly.

As for flow and broken rhythm, I'd be interested in hearing how you think flow is necessary. I don't doubt the claim; I just want to make sure we're talking about the same concept. ... kinda like you wanted to clarify mine earlier.

Well, for starters, I think I've had the most fun during training with instructors who can go from zero to 300 percent in a nanosecond and then back to normal again without feeling any agitation.

 

[Navarre]

Are you meaning the concept of (what we call) spontaneous initiation? This is the concept of remaining focused but relaxed, using maximum conservation of energy.

Then, when a movement is made, it is explosive. No energy is wasted but all potential energy is transformed into kinetic power.

It helps us stay relaxed, mobile, and energetic during "rest" periods thus providing even greater power and speed during the technique. Is this what you're referring to?

 

[davidg553]

I hear a lot of talk about flow, and about mastering the basics.

Id say being able to do both is important to being "well rounded" but at what point do you transition. (almost) No one's basics are perfect, and we could spend a lifetime mastering them... so at what point do you "move on" and work on other things? A lot of people here seem to imply NEVER, but I don't think they mean it that way, because that leaves no room for growth...

So where do you guys feel the balance point is?

Shouldn't you learn to flow as a part of your "basics". If one thinks they have mastered a basic such as the sanshin no kata or the kihon happo but have no flow then maybe they should reconsider their definition of mastery.

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And the echo continues...as usual I didn't read the whole thread.

 

[rutherford]

It seems to me like many of these posts are using the term "flow" to mean different things. Everybody seems to have their own definition, and I think some of them are very different from what Technopunk is talking about.

 

[Grey Eyed Bandit]

"If I thought like hell,
thought until evening fell,
about my life and found
some kind of truth that seemed sound,
well then I'd better keep this in my memory,
that this truth holds true to no one other than me."

 

[Cryozombie]

It seems to me like many of these posts are using the term "flow" to mean different things. Everybody seems to have their own definition, and I think some of them are very different from what Technopunk is talking about.

Right, and I think PART of that was my (possibly misconstrued) notion of what was meant about "Basics" being

 

[Cryozombie]

It seems to me like many of these posts are using the term "flow" to mean different things. Everybody seems to have their own definition, and I think some of them are very different from what Technopunk is talking about.

Right, and I think PART of that was my (possibly misconstrued) notion of what was meant about "Basics" being the BASIC movements used to learn things like the sanshin and Kihon Happo...