Fight Quest show

[skinters]

geezer

you need crucifying for being so positive,cant have a good moan these days.:wink:

 

[mook jong man]

Now let's not get all bogged down into sectarian bickering over a TV show for godsake! I understand your frustration over the sloppy performance of the WC/WT students. But who were they anyway? Were they junior students? They certainly weren't high level instructors. And were they told to hold back a bit to let the gwai-lo (Doug and Jimmy) look good for the camera? I don't know. I do know that Leung Ting has produced some awesome fighters around the world. And he also is a world class self-promoter. So that's probably how the F.Q. producers linked up with him. Now I don't know anything about the other WC Sifu that they went to, except I liked what a saw. And, in spite of all the nitpicking, I thought the show presented WC/WT in a pretty good light. I enjoyed watching it. Oh well, crucify me for being positive.

BTW you can call me "Grandmaster Geezer", now bow to me! (I almost snorted my drink out through my nose when I heard that stuff, Ace --and that was Leung Ting trying to be modest! Chortle, Chortle, snort, cough.)

You could be onto something there Geezer , maybe they were told to go easy on them . I've never seen the show before , how have they gone when they have went up against other arts .

Can other practitioners of other arts tell if they were put up against relative beginners who might have been told to go easy . Or in some cases were Doug and Jimmy beaten decisively and drilled into the ground , as I said its the first time I've seen the show.

 

[skinters]

to be honest,and i not trying to be arguementative,i would like to see wingchun portrayed to its fullest,there are enough good chunners out there to show it as it should be.suppose thats the way wingchun has become commercialised and a bit watered down.

mook,dont agree with geezer,he will only get carried away :wink1:

 

[geezer]

...as I said its the first time I've seen the show.

Me too.

 

[chisauking]

The main objective for the makers of the show is entertainment value & wide audiance exposure, and not free publicity for the wing chun community. Threfore, certain considerations are given when selecting the wing chun 'masters'. Whether you like Leung Ting or not, you can't deny that he's a 'charater', and with his worldwide legence of supporters, you can definately guarantee a large audiance base by choosing him.

As far as the 'results' of the match is concerned, I would say this: any game or sport and its most effective tools is determined by the objective of the game, the rules of the game, and its environment.

In the first match with the smaller guy, his opponent was doing quite well in the first part of the first round....until his endurance & fitness faltered. This is proof that endurance & tolerance to pain is the main criterias for this type of match. Off course, these attributes is also important in real combat, but not to the same extent -- unless fights last for 10-mins plus and the opponents wear hand & head gear, without shoes. (personally, I have never known any fights to last for more than 2-minutes).

In the second match, it was a total 'walkover' for the big guy. Was this down to his superior skills? Not neccesarily. More to do with his method was far more effective in this type of match. With a head guard & gloves to reduce the impact\force of the blows, speed, accuracy, hitting first, etc., was no longer the most important factor. Heavy swinging punches, agrressiveness and endurance was the order of the day.

Not many people believe me when I say the objective & rules and fighting conditions affect one's choice of method. But consider this: if you cover a hammer with a boxing glove, how do you hammer a nail? Well, the only possible way is by swinging the hammer with a longer arc to increase the force. And that's exactly what the big guy used in his match -- large swinging punches. More power, less speed and directness.

One will find that if the objective of the match were to change, say, to injure one's opponent as much as possible and quick as possible, using any means available, then the methods used will change.

If the rules of the match is changed, the the methods will also change.

If the environment and conditions change, say, bare-knuckles, hard boots, pointed bricks & glass, concrete ground, etc., then the method will change once again.

At the end of the day, wing chun practitioners shouldn't take the results to heart. It was only a friendly game and if the game was under different objectives, rules, and environment, the results may not be the same. Contrary to what 'meatheads & the pepsi & popcorn brigade' may think, the matches weren't absolute 'truths'.

Some people say the WSL family would have been better representatives. I personally don't think so. Probably the best fighter out of that lineage in Hong Kong is sifu Wan Kam Leung.....but he's near 60 and probably haven't fought for real for many years. If you talk to anyone who really knows sifu Wan, they would confirm that in his younger days sifu Wan was a very good fighter indeed, but at his age, he would never have the endurance to play with much younger and fitter opponents. In fact, I think he would have done even worst than the WC guys! However, change the objective, rules and condition to no rules and whoever goes to the hospital first, then my money is on WKL (provided he has time to get in shape).

All in all, I'd enjoyed the clips and I'm sure I would enjoy the whole program when it's broadcasted. It hasn't done wing chun any harm -- in fact, I think it's promoted wing chun to a wider audiance worldwide, and that can ony be a good thing for all of us. And the fact that they chose to cover wing chun again after the other serious (human weapons) can only mean that audiance do want to see wing chun again.

 

[AceHBK]

BTW you can call me "Grandmaster Geezer", now bow to me! (I almost snorted my drink out through my nose when I heard that stuff, Ace --and that was Leung Ting trying to be modest! Chortle, Chortle, snort, cough.)

lol@modest.
I heard that Leung Ting wanted to be referred to as "Grandmaster Almightyness" *shudders*

 

[Steve]

I love this show. Doug always gets paired up with the toughest trainer. Doug's trainer seemed pretty cool although when Doug hugged him toward the end I think he was surprised. His translator had a great look and kind of shrugged. I think that he really seemed to catch on a little better than Jim. He also seems to bond more with his team every show.

Jimmy is kind of like a bull in a china shop. He's kind if clumsy and the guy he trained with didn't impress. Still, he's pretty good and seems like a nice guy.

Overall, the show made the style look pretty good.