Dojo challenging? Still active?

[Blindside]

The instructor wouldn't be dumb enough to let his students fight a unknown man. Like I said. The few senpais you would fight. They choose weapon. That's why you universally train.

Now you are adding weapons to the mix, so this "dojo challenge" just jumped from really dangerous to truly stupid. What kind of weapons are you thinking of?

 

[Dirty Dog]

Now you are adding weapons to the mix, so this "dojo challenge" just jumped from really dangerous to truly stupid. What kind of weapons are you thinking of?

I'd suggest nerf guns as being the most appropriate choice.


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[Blindside]

I'd suggest nerf guns as being the most appropriate choice.

Airsoft pistols at 20 paces.

 

[Grenadier]

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[Deleted member 32980]

Why does everyone want to know my age??? I'm old enough to become a CNA.

I'm not a religious type of person. I don't really like it personally. It creates clicks out of a nation. Let alone ~90% of people that call themselves "Christians" aren't really Christians. They just want to fit into something, they want to THINK they mean something. In all actuality most people have no real meaning to their life, don't seek their talents or what they can do. Most people I've met are selfish and self-centered that need to know the meaning of Humility. Humbleness should be a part of everyone's life. Ive met a handful (literally) of people that are good, at heart and spirit. And do you have any idea what I did when I met them?? I made sure they knew they were the most important people on this earth regarding a heart of gold and something for others to aim for! They are so beautiful to me! I tell them in front of who ever is standing there, without regret in saying they are better than most people in these hell-bent societies.

The reason I want to become stronger than anyone else is because I want to protect those people at any cost! Those people should see the real beauty of this earth as I did when I saw them. Is not only fair?? To make a point to those that mean something is like moving the clouds so the sun can blanket a wilting flower.

Be flexible. Like the bamboo or willow in the wind, unlike the harder trees that can crack under intense situations such as a strong wind. I am one of the most flexible people I've seen. (Not physically) I've been through allot, but I know others have their own battles, or some have been through worse. I am not nieve to those that been through more. I suck up my problems. I'm ready to bust. I don't want to because I'm afraid that I might hurt someone. I don't want to give myself trouble. I'll probably go back to meditation. It helps the mind. :zen:

That quote is for the reader to think about it. It's to widen ones horizon. Here, I'll start a path and you finish it I you wish to take this one: When we die we enter the 'Tao.' The Tao is referred to as many things. Have fun!

Are you people happy now? I spilled my bag of weapons out. Now I don't want to hear anything negative from now on... Note sarcasm(zero) . Please that's all I ask. I hate it. I've been so kind to people and done so much volunteer work no one believes me. So you CAN be kind. If I can..

 

[Deleted member 32980]

Weapons bostaffs and such. No blades.

 

[Dirty Dog]

So, Nate. Back to the subject of honor. Why do you do something (claim rank you haven't earned) that you've stated is dishonorable?

People ask about your age because the vast majority of the posters here are adults. Many have been adults for a long long time. And you come across as a tween who has yet to learn to separate fact from fiction.
Learning to do so is a part of growing up, and difficulty in doing so is normal at certain developmental stages.
If you're a kid, people will respond to a kid, and expect you to have a kids view on things.
If you're an adult, people will expect you expect you to have an adults view on things.
If you're a hypocrite, (like, say, doing things you say shouldn't be done, or claiming to be something you're not) then people will assume that most of what you say is basically ********.


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[Drose427]

Nate, to add on what Dirty Dog said, its also incredibly disrespectful to those with rank who worked that butt off to get it, for someone to come in saying "I do it all myself, never needed no training, not me!" and have no real understanding of concepts. It really seems like you're using MA to feed a fantasy, for those of us who train its rude. This thing your're claiming to know and use to feed your fantasy, or ego, or whatever is not just a livelong hobby for many people, but their livelihood.

Its like going up to a doctor and saying, "Yeah I looked at some pictures so Im a doctor too" except the doctors here are are a lot scarier

 

[clfsean]

Why does everyone want to know my age??? I'm old enough to become a CNA.

CNA? Which cert is that?

 

[Drose427]

CNA? Which cert is that?

Nursing Assistant, some states use STNA I believe

 

[Transk53]

Well said both you above!

 

[clfsean]

Weapons bostaffs and such. No blades.

Things like this raise alarm bells. A "bostaff" outside of Napoleon Dynamite is an oxymoron. It's equivalent to saying "a mobile car phone" or "a pistol handgun".

So from what I've gleaned, you're not training in any Asian styles properly and there are few to none American or European non-bladed weapon training schools... what are you doing? How are you doing it? What is your methodology, basis for techniques, body mechanics and most importantly, where are you acid testing this?

 

[Tez3]

Why does everyone want to know my age???

The reason people are asking about your age is because reading your posts you come across as an immature person, now, before you
take umbrage at this, I'm going to add that there is nothing wrong with this if you are, in fact, a young person.

To be young and idealistic is quite normal, to want to impress adults is also normal so if you are in fact you are young then we understand why you write things like being a martial arts sensei etc though we wouldn't condone saying you are something when you aren't. We would also tell you that you don't have to write things to impress us, we don't need impressing just honesty from you. You don't need to be a master in martial arts here so there is no need to say you are when you aren't. It creates a bad impression, because there will always be someone here who knows more about a subject than you do and can tell if someone is not what they say they are.

I could read a lot of books about Iaido and write things on here, tell people I taught myself everything but trust me someone would know I don't actually know that much and to be honest, the person I would be cheating about saying I was an expert in Iaido would believe it or not be myself. Looking at books and videos and dancing around with a sword fooling myself into believing I was a master of the sword would mean missing being taught by proper instructors and the joy of learning that you get from learning from an expert.

I'm not too bad at my own martial arts but by no means know all, I don't know anyone who does, most of us who can carry on learning, going to seminars, researching, training with other groups and styles, constantly looking to learn. It's really not possible to teach yourself martial arts and to be able to do them properly.

I will accept you are sincere in what you believe but you do need to really read and inwardly digest what people have written and rethink the way you approach martial arts and how you post on here.

 

[Blindside]

Weapons bostaffs and such. No blades.

Do you have any clue how dangerous fighting with a "bo staff" is? As in, "I hit you in the head and I am likely to kill you" dangerous? The staff by some historical treatises was considered to be superior in open field combat to virtually all other weapons except for other polearms.

 

[Drose427]

The staff by some historical treatises was considered to be superior in open field combat to virtually all other weapons except for other polearms.

Because a weapon capable of killing someone several feet away, holds up well to swords, and makes you capable fighting multiple opponents wasn't awesome enough without a blade

 

[Deleted member 32980]

I'll be gone over the weekend so I'll reply to all of them on Monday morning.

 

[jks9199]

The instructor wouldn't be dumb enough to let his students fight a unknown man. Like I said. The few senpais you would fight. They choose weapon. That's why you universally train.

Ou guys keep repeating yourself. All I was looking for was the ones I "liked". Also it took me a hour to get through these. You people need a hobby or a life. (This wasn't meant as a insult)

Years back, it wasn't unheard of for people to visit training halls, and ask to spar. In many cases, they'd start with someone at the bottom, and "prove" their way up until they got beat. In other cases, matches between clubs would be set up. There was even a tradition of clubs meeting, sparring across fairly equal ranks, and then having a pot luck dinner or going to restaurant for some fellowship afterwards. Lots of this sort of thing, unfortunately, died out with increasing commercialism.

Dojo storming was another thing... If someone opened a new dojo, and the established places took a dislike to them -- or someone new wanted to make a name for themselves, they'd literally storm into the school being challenged, cause a disruption and try to be forced out. Yeah -- sounds like something out of TV/movie. But it happened. Sometimes, people died, too. You might look up Count Dante.

You may still see some of the former, and, of course, there are still open mat days in some training halls. But, for a commercial dojo, there's zero benefit, and lots to lose, if they let some unknown wander in and challenge students. Best case for the school: the school's students win handily, as expected. Will the challenger sue if he gets injured? What if one of the school's students is injured? Worst case: the school's students or even the teacher loses. So, the students lose; why? Have the been taught ineffectively? If the teacher loses, even worse. So, now -- the school is out of business.

If you want to see if your self-developed martial art works, look into competition. Maybe find an open mat. Personally? Be prepared to eat a lot of crow. You'll probably need to...

 

[drop bear]

Years back, it wasn't unheard of for people to visit training halls, and ask to spar. In many cases, they'd start with someone at the bottom, and "prove" their way up until they got beat. In other cases, matches between clubs would be set up. There was even a tradition of clubs meeting, sparring across fairly equal ranks, and then having a pot luck dinner or going to restaurant for some fellowship afterwards. Lots of this sort of thing, unfortunately, died out with increasing commercialism.

Dojo storming was another thing... If someone opened a new dojo, and the established places took a dislike to them -- or someone new wanted to make a name for themselves, they'd literally storm into the school being challenged, cause a disruption and try to be forced out. Yeah -- sounds like something out of TV/movie. But it happened. Sometimes, people died, too. You might look up Count Dante.

You may still see some of the former, and, of course, there are still open mat days in some training halls. But, for a commercial dojo, there's zero benefit, and lots to lose, if they let some unknown wander in and challenge students. Best case for the school: the school's students win handily, as expected. Will the challenger sue if he gets injured? What if one of the school's students is injured? Worst case: the school's students or even the teacher loses. So, the students lose; why? Have the been taught ineffectively? If the teacher loses, even worse. So, now -- the school is out of business.

If you want to see if your self-developed martial art works, look into competition. Maybe find an open mat. Personally? Be prepared to eat a lot of crow. You'll probably need to...

At which point you can look up bobby Joe blythe. For all the reasons why it is wrong.

we had one guy who wanted to fight our coach. But it never happened. Same guy did eventually jump in the ring and got mauled.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Many people I've met have said, "training by yourself is hurting more than helping."

And, "you can't be good at all without any 'formal' training such as a dojo."

Obviously those people need to understand that you don't need others to teach yourself or develop a style of your own.

Why is it "obvious?" On this forum we have people (like myself, Dirty Dog, Tez, Brian, and many others) who have spent decades training in a wide variety of arts. That's thousands of hours of hard work, study, pain, sweat, frustration, and testing ourselves and our skills. Why is it obvious that we are wrong and you are right?

So by never being in a dojo to train 'formally', would it prove them all by challenging a dojo with all due respect and honors offered.

As others have said, dojo storming is not really acceptable in this day and age. Even back when it was more common, it wasn't a matter of "due respect and honors." It generally was done with hostile intent. If you actually want to prove your skills in a respectful and honorable manner, you have a couple of options. You can enter some open competition - boxing, kickboxing, MMA, BJJ, etc - and see how you do. Alternately, you can sign up for classes at a gym that places a heavy emphasis on immediate sparring. Any MMA gym will give you plenty of opportunities to test yourself in hard sparring.

Don't waste space or I'll report you on-the-spot.

Pre-emptively threatening people at the start of a conversation is rarely a good way to establish a productive discussion.

For a adventure/knowledge/understanding

You'll gain knowledge and understanding a lot quicker if you pay attention to people you disagree with and entertain the possibility that you might be wrong.

Ou guys keep repeating yourself. All I was looking for was the ones I "liked". Also it took me a hour to get through these. You people need a hobby or a life. (This wasn't meant as a insult)

As someone else said up-thread, for many of us martial arts is our hobby and our life. We've spent thousands of hours training, we can spend a few minutes answering questions on the topic.

Also, in an open discussion, you don't get to insist that people only give you the answers you want to hear.

Humbleness should be a part of everyone's life.

I totally agree!

An example of such humbleness would be not insisting that your untrained understanding of the martial. arts is superior to the understanding of people who have spent most of their lives training.
Another example would be not awarding yourself titles.
Another example would be not telling people you were born great and have achieved amazing things.

Be flexible. Like the bamboo or willow in the wind, unlike the harder trees that can crack under intense situations such as a strong wind. I am one of the most flexible people I've seen.

A good example of flexibility would be listening to opposing viewpoints and trying to understand them without getting angry

I've been so kind to people and done so much volunteer work no one believes me.

If you make a habit of being kind and doing volunteer work, that's wonderful! I'm sure the people you help out genuinely appreciate it. Here on the forum, all we have to go on is the posts you write. Telling us how amazing you are will not impress anyone. Participating in a genuinely humble and friendly manner will get you much better results.

So you CAN be kind.

Believe it or not, we are trying to be kind. We don't want you to get hurt, and some of the ideas you have will get you in trouble.

Weapons bostaffs and such. No blades.

Real fighting with a wooden staff can get someone killed.

Why does everyone want to know my age???

Because we've all been young and many of us remember having some very unrealistic ideas about the martial arts and the world in general when we were kids. If you are indeed as young as we might suspect based on your posting, then your unrealistic notions and need to impress are much more understandable than they would be if you were a middle aged guy.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

The following school challenge happened many years ago in Taiwan.

2 guys walked into a new Chinese wrestling school. They sat on the floor and just watched the class. The assistant instructor asked them if they had any Chinese wrestling training. They both said that they just knew a little. The assistant instructor asked them if they were willing to wrestle with other students on the mat. They accepted. During the wrestling matches, these 2 guys defeated everybody in that school included the assistant instructor. The assistant instructor went to get the main instructor. The main instructor invited both guys to his house, served them some tea. Since there were glass powder in that tea. Both guys went home had blood came out of their rear ends for the next 3 months. Few days later, that school shut down.

One thing we can all learn from this story is:

- Right after any challenge match, never drink with the loser when he offers you something that you don't know what's in it .

The interested question here is:

- If an instructor asked a visitor to spar/wrestle with his students, who was challenging whom?