do you think being gay is a choice?

[Touch Of Death]

Just from my own personal experience with gay people I believe its nurture based; however, I wouldn't say they are choosing abitrarily, but, acting on the idea of being gay by engaging in sexual activity with the same sex is a choice.
Sean

 

[CanuckMA]

Just from my own personal experience with gay people I believe its nurture based; however, I wouldn't say they are choosing abitrarily, but, acting on the idea of being gay by engaging in sexual activity with the same sex is a choice.
Sean

And from personnal experience with my 2 sons, I have to conclude that nurture is WAY overrated. I have 2 boys, raised in the same loving household, attended the same schools, had the same religious education.

They are as different as any 2 people can be.

 

[CanuckMA]

I'm just so fed up and tired of people quoting the Bible to justify themselves. Get your own book please, leave mine alone.

And use they use a lousy translation at that. ANd by not tempering with Talmud, they don't quite get the entire context and meaning either.

 

[Gordon Nore]

I think you may have misread zDoms posts, he said quite plainly that he didn't believe that AIDs was made by G-d to punish homosexuals.

If this the case, I apologize to zDom.

He was and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, meaning that AIDs exists and if you choose to have homosexual sex you stand a very high chance of contracting it.

What concerns me is this notion of "homosexual sex." Bob Hubbard already clarified (in perhaps more detail that I wanted) that anything two gents can do can be replicated by a gent and a lady. Certain sexual acts seem to be higher risk when performed unprotected. Thus AIDS has spread through both same-sex and different-sex contact. Coincidentally, homosexual sex acts qualify sodomy under arcane laws.

 

[zDom]

Yea, Tez read me right (no problem, Gord).

But just to give "equal time", heterosexual fornication ALSO has health-related "natural consequences" (in addition to broken hearts).

How many STDs would be around if everybody played by the "no sex until marriage" / "no switching partners via divorces" rules?

They may still be out there, but would be, I think, rarities.

 

[Tez3]

If this the case, I apologize to zDom.



What concerns me is this notion of "homosexual sex." Bob Hubbard already clarified (in perhaps more detail that I wanted) that anything two gents can do can be replicated by a gent and a lady. Certain sexual acts seem to be higher risk when performed unprotected. Thus AIDS has spread through both same-sex and different-sex contact. Coincidentally, homosexual sex acts qualify sodomy under arcane laws.

LOL! I think we were all being coy and not wanting to give too many details so didn't say as obviously as we could have done that what two men do could also be done with a man and women. In many places in Africa sodomy in a male female relationship is held to be a good form of contraception, the wearing of condoms being scorned.

 

[Touch Of Death]

And from personnal experience with my 2 sons, I have to conclude that nurture is WAY overrated. I have 2 boys, raised in the same loving household, attended the same schools, had the same religious education.

They are as different as any 2 people can be.

You can't raise two different people the same way and expect the same results. That does not change my hypothisis. It only confirms it.
Sean

 

[Brian S]

Hetro sex stll does carry man risks. Herpes isn't curable. Neither is the so called "super" gonorrhea. Unwanted pregnancy's. Not to mention leaping out a second story window when daddy gets home can be quite hazardous on a horny teen male. LOL!

Yep. Maybe the answer lies in doing what God commands to begin with? Along with the realization that God allows certain things to happen for a reason. Doesn't make it any less sad.

But I find the idea that a 60-100 year old disease, that targets hemophiliacs and blood transfusion patients, and just anyone unlucky enough to get some blood on them, to be a rather poor idea of "Divine Retribution" against something that's been going on for oh, 3,000+ years at least. Actually I find it rather, stupid.

Agreed. That sort of reasoning is of a non-Christian POV imo. Kind of like some people who blamed hurricane katrina on divine intervention. That's old covenant preaching and in pure denial that Jesus' blood had any power whatsoever. I don't get it.

Of course, the idea of a Christian falling back on the Old Testament is odd, since the idea of Jesus was to create a new contract with god. A "New" Testament if you will that replaced the old one, and turned God from this angry to-be-pleased god to this loving father god. But that's a debate for another thread I think.

Agreed.

Again, I don't think "Gay" is really a choice. Who, in their right mind, would choose a life of persecution legislated discrimination, internal confusion, denial, and public misinformation?

I think gay is a result, not exactly a choice. Several things cause it imo. Sexual abuse, lack of attention from a father/mother, lack of a good solid male/female role model, lack of affirmation from your dad/mother, etc. There are several factors imo, but something happened somewhere along the line.

 

[seasoned]

IMO, we may not have a chose on how we are born , or a chose as to how we were raised . These are things out of our control. But as an adult this is where the buck stops. I have met a lot of people that blame things on the above, but this is a cop out. As adults we have freedom of chose, which amounts to accountability. We choose to be where we are in life, if this were not so, then we would be robots. I read this somewhere, can’t remember right now, but it goes something like this” choose ye this day, whom you will follow”. All of our actions, what ever they are, are governed by the choses we make.

 

[Cryozombie]

IMO, we may not have a chose on how we are born , or a chose as to how we were raised . These are things out of our control. But as an adult this is where the buck stops. I have met a lot of people that blame things on the above, but this is a cop out.

I'm going to disagree, only to the extent that some things, especially where the results are subconcious or at least we are unaware we are doing them intentionally come from past programming and they take a great deal of effort to de-program or relearn behavior that is less counterproductive... It's not always clearly a choice.

 

[KempoGuy06]

I believe it to be hard wired. Ive always heard the phrase "you cant change who you love".

Like pheonix said in one of the earlier post, why would be choose a likestyle that is generally looked down upon in our society.

B

 

[seasoned]

I'm going to disagree, only to the extent that some things, especially where the results are subconcious or at least we are unaware we are doing them intentionally come from past programming and they take a great deal of effort to de-program or relearn behavior that is less counterproductive... It's not always clearly a choice.

Point well taken.

 

[zDom]

I believe it to be hard wired. Ive always heard the phrase "you cant change who you love".

I beg to differ. I've done it many times.

My dad likes to say that "love" is a VERB, not a feeling

Whether or not you accept the above, feelings DO follow decisions if given enough time.

 

[jarrod]

I beg to differ. I've done it many times.

My dad likes to say that "love" is a VERB, not a feeling

Whether or not you accept the above, feelings DO follow decisions if given enough time.

i think i'd disagree with your dad on that. you might have some control over how you act on your feelings, & your feelings may change over time to a degree, but not expressing the feeling doesn't negate the feeling.

jf

 

[Bob Hubbard]

I've changed the 'who' many times.
But the 'what' has always been consistantly female. hair, skin, shape, size has varied, but always been female.

 

[zDom]

I've changed the 'who' many times.
But the 'what' has always been consistantly female. hair, skin, shape, size has varied, but always been female.

Maybe you just haven't met the right guy yet?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Entirely possible.

Anyone know what Legolas is doing?

 

[zDom]

Entirely possible.

Anyone know what Legolas is doing?

Please stay on topic, Bob. Legolas would be an interracial relationship.

 

[shesulsa]

Entirely possible.

Anyone know what Legolas is doing?

Gawdhewashotinthatmoviewasn'the?

Please stay on topic, Bob. Legolas would be an interracial relationship.

Wouldn't that be interspecies? Elf + human = ?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Either way, somewhere, somehow, someone's passing a law against it.

Then again, going Elf wouldn't really be gay.
Hobbits now.....I mean, did you see how Sam looked at Mr. Frodo?
I bet they took a lot of baths together.