Then you deserve all you will get. Most thugs act up in front of their mates. Very few take anyone on alone. If you take on someone and go to the ground good luck. To me that is not a sensible strategy.
I love how in every "self defense scenario" thugs have lots of friends, but the martial artist is a loner. :lol:
I'd love to know where you read that. Most fights are over in seconds. What you are describing happens in the ring.
I'm talking about the fights that result in clinching and attempted takedowns. The natural reaction of getting hit is to close the distance to stop from getting hit. So if you're tagging some guy in the face, they're going to try to get in on you and wrap you up so you can't hit them anymore. That's common sense. Now do fights get broken up before that happens? Sure. Do fights get broken up while two guys are wrestling around in a clinch to try to get them on the ground? Sure. Those fights aren't a problem. The fights that are a problem are the fights that end up on the ground with someone having a dominant position and can do severe damage to you.
Again, a few shots to your face and a black eye is no big deal. A bigger guy on top of you choking you or bashing your head in is a big deal. That's the kind of injury that can cause permanent damage.
True, but it could be you on the bottom.
It could be. Which is why its a good thing I've learned and trained in various methods on how to get out of the bottom position.
On the assumption I don't want to fight in the first place, I don't want to be tied up on the ground so old mate's friends can rush in and kick the crap out of me. I haven't seen many altercations that are truly one on one. You will never see a guy off the street submit a BJJ blackbelt or any other person for that matter. That is sport terminology again! On the street you don't submit. At best if you lose you get the crap beaten out of you, worst case you die or end up in a wheelchair. That is why to fight on the street, if you can avoid it, is just plain stupid.
Ah the old "his friends will beat the crap out of you if you do ground fighting" bit. Well let's look at this a bit more closely....
If you've regained or maintained the top position, that means you can disengage at any time. His friends rush in, you stand up. Its simple. If I'm taking someone to the ground, I'm maintaining the dominant position, which is why I said takedown into ground fighting. Nearly every Bjj/Judo/Wrestling takedowns ends with you in a dominant position on the ground.
If you're on the bottom, his friends probably aren't going to rush in because they'll think their friend is winning. However its important to note that if you're on the bottom, you're probably there against your will. So if his mates DO rush in while you're on the bottom, this entire argument\ of standing up or being on the ground is null and void. You will need Bjj training to get off your back in the quickest, most efficient way possible. If that means choking, sweeping, or neutralizing your assailant from your back, then so be it.
No! You've just stated again that there are numerous advantages on the ground. In a street fight I don't see any. And, come on, you're next statement is pure Bulls#1t! "Clearly ground-fighting and BJJ has proven itself as a viable method of self defence." Your statement is totally correct but it is totally out of context. If I was the best BJJ person in the country I still would not be trying to go to the ground in a street fight. You can apply your BJJ techniques standing up without risking your life on the ground.
You can apply your Bjj techniques standing AND on the ground without risking your life.
With rules in the ring I'm sure you are right. There are no such certainties on the street.
I'm not seeing how ring rules have anything to do with that. What I described is exactly what Bjj was designed to do, and it was designed way before the ring rules were ever established.
What you demonstrate in post after post is your obsession with competition. You have absolute bugger-all understanding of reality based self defence. While you are young and strong your preferred option may even work for you if the other guy is alone. As you get older there will always be that someone bigger and stronger who will kick your ****. To suggest to other people to go down your track of self defence could get them killed or badly injured.
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I don't believe I ever said I was invincible, or that I could take down hordes of people with Bjj. All I'm saying is that if I'm in a fight, I'll use what I'm best at doing, and that's grappling.
I'll be sure to invite my Bjj friends so that we can keep it a fair fight.
