windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Cross hands found in many practices.
Is the demo based on a realistic scenario ?
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Cross hands found in many practices.
Is the demo based on a realistic scenario ?
Fungus
Black Belt
Just a hunch: if someone tries to poke my eyes, the crossed hand guard feels intuitive. Alternatively of you prefer outward blocks than inwards, depends on your follow strategy. But the guard seems particularly vulnerable to trapping hand techqniues of wing chun?
While I rarely use this guard, I admit there is something about that that feels good. In particular if I wanted to grabb and grapple the opponets arm immediately after their attack, this seems like a nice stance.
While I rarely use this guard, I admit there is something about that that feels good. In particular if I wanted to grabb and grapple the opponets arm immediately after their attack, this seems like a nice stance.
The are many instances where cross parrying or cross grabbing can come into play. One instance could be, If an opponent blocks to the inside but crosses his center line, a cross parry/grab can be used to pull the opponent off balanced or clear the path for subsequent attacks. Also, since the untrained attacker doesn’t know your techniques, these techniques might work well on the street. Maybe not so much against a skilled boxer.
In FMA, very much like WC cross parries and grabs are used to penetrate and close the gap for subsequent close attacks. Needs to be fast enough not to be countered. I remember many years ago, one of my instructors Ted LucayLucay who was proficient in both FMA and WC rag dolling me with this type of technique. Good lesson.
Cross parry/grabbing would be a good entrance for windwalkers 3 star original sweeping close video.
In FMA, very much like WC cross parries and grabs are used to penetrate and close the gap for subsequent close attacks. Needs to be fast enough not to be countered. I remember many years ago, one of my instructors Ted LucayLucay who was proficient in both FMA and WC rag dolling me with this type of technique. Good lesson.
Cross parry/grabbing would be a good entrance for windwalkers 3 star original sweeping close video.
The cross guard can be a legitimate structure to use in fighting. (See the video below.)
The demo looks more impressive than it would likely be in a competitive fight because the person being the demo dummy is very rigid and has a very poor root. Whenever you have someone who moves well demonstrating on someone who has poor structure/root/balance, it can end up looking easy to tie the other person up in knots. I run into that sometimes when I'm teaching and have to demonstrate on a beginner or on someone who is unconsciously being a little too cooperative. When that happens I either encourage my demo dummy to improve their structure or else just warn the class that this is a best case scenario and that a skilled opponent will not usually give that big of an opening for the technique.
The demo looks more impressive than it would likely be in a competitive fight because the person being the demo dummy is very rigid and has a very poor root. Whenever you have someone who moves well demonstrating on someone who has poor structure/root/balance, it can end up looking easy to tie the other person up in knots. I run into that sometimes when I'm teaching and have to demonstrate on a beginner or on someone who is unconsciously being a little too cooperative. When that happens I either encourage my demo dummy to improve their structure or else just warn the class that this is a best case scenario and that a skilled opponent will not usually give that big of an opening for the technique.
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windwalker099
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Nice video very informative
Touches on what I note in most demos more so in CMA technique demos then say something like boxing or MMA demos.
My own bias reflected more about controlling the space, ranges, leading, and entries, over blocking, parrying, understanding the clip is showing one aspect...
The clip quite interesting...
All the "big Telegraph punches" mentioned in the clip, reminds me a lot of the long arm used in Tibetan white crane.
Interestingly enough, had a lot of success using the 45° horse stance against people who box for various reasons. One significant factor was their inability to deal with the stance. We agreed that I would not kick them, but they did not realize that the long arm combined with the horse stance gave me a reach advantage they couldn't adjust to at the time.
The type of guard looks a lot like what taiji would call hold ball "抱球" (bào qiú)"
Touches on what I note in most demos more so in CMA technique demos then say something like boxing or MMA demos.
My own bias reflected more about controlling the space, ranges, leading, and entries, over blocking, parrying, understanding the clip is showing one aspect...
The clip quite interesting...
All the "big Telegraph punches" mentioned in the clip, reminds me a lot of the long arm used in Tibetan white crane.
Interestingly enough, had a lot of success using the 45° horse stance against people who box for various reasons. One significant factor was their inability to deal with the stance. We agreed that I would not kick them, but they did not realize that the long arm combined with the horse stance gave me a reach advantage they couldn't adjust to at the time.
The type of guard looks a lot like what taiji would call hold ball "抱球" (bào qiú)"
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I think the reason you see the problem more in CMA demos than in boxing/MMA demos comes down to a couple of factors:
- On average, most MMA & boxing coaches have more fight experience than most CMA instructors.
- There's a cultural expectation in many Asian martial arts that the instructor should always be able to easily dominate their students by virtue of their experience and seniority. This can lead (consciously or not) to students being overly cooperative in demos and to instructors letting them do so. You don't have that so much in boxing and MMA. No one ever expected that Cus D'Amato should be able to beat Mike Tyson in a fight.
I had a really good time last year teaching at a cross-disciplinary seminar hosted by @J. Pickard . One reason was that Josh (@J. Pickard ) was the perfect uke. He gave me a realistic energy to work with and didn't take dives, but he fed me exactly the right openings to demonstrate whatever technique we were working on in the moment.
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windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Interesting observations.
Sharing some of mine
In China, Taiwan ect. It's quite competitive within the culture.
With repercussions for those depending on style claiming to teach something they don't know..
One will be visited,,,By those within the style....
The US and other places might be a little different...
"in Asia"
In the parks, if a teacher should lose a match in what ever format,
chances are they will not be able to teach in the same spot, the students might start to question
the teachers methods.
Some have what are called "打手" (dǎ shǒu) "door guards" who take care of this for them.
In this day and age of the net...a little different...
Many teachers prefer to remain quiet, allowing them and their students
to continue their work with out all the noise..
Some instructor's do try to perpetuate this image.
Cus D'Amato, did have experience in the ring, although maybe not so successful...was respected for his coaching and understanding of his art.
CMA teachers, most of them have skill sets that are not common, which is why people come to them for training to gain them.
In IMA, the focus is often on principles that are demonstrated and expressed through techniques.
IME, most teachers encourage students to attempt techniques as earnestly and forcefully as they can. They explicitly ask for this level of effort.
However, there's an important caveat: "Do exactly what I asked you to do."
Failing to follow this instruction can sometimes result in injury, either to the student or the teacher.
This practice serves several purposes, one of the most important being the cultivation of "intent." For intention-based skill sets, the intention behind an action is crucial, regardless of the specific movement or technique.
It is the intent that is being worked with, more so than the physical movement itself.
If a student were to take a dive or fake their effort, the teacher would notice, as would knowledgeable observers. They might wonder why the teacher did not address the lack of genuine effort.
That said, some students are easier to work with than others for various reasons, depending on the teacher's level and the student's development.
Exactly sounds like a good time.
Those learning IMA skill sets go through a kind of interesting period.
It's quite consistent.
1. First question the skills they are learning
2. question their own reactions.
3. question the reactions of others reacting to their skill as they gain it..
Spent some time in Taiwan last yr...about a month or so.
One of the people I work with there started talking about fake demos when I should him some clips
of what I felt where good example of what we were working on.
Actually I was a little shocked, considering my work, and what we were working on.
I said ok as he talked...and had him attack ....
He having the same reactions as in the demos
I asked him to stop faking it...
He laugh saying he was not...
The unasked question:
I do test my work with those I don't know and others who practice taiji
yes
The results are very consistent,
Sharing some of mine
True if your only counting professional sports.
In China, Taiwan ect. It's quite competitive within the culture.
With repercussions for those depending on style claiming to teach something they don't know..
One will be visited,,,By those within the style....
The US and other places might be a little different...
"in Asia"
In the parks, if a teacher should lose a match in what ever format,
chances are they will not be able to teach in the same spot, the students might start to question
the teachers methods.
Some have what are called "打手" (dǎ shǒu) "door guards" who take care of this for them.
In this day and age of the net...a little different...
Many teachers prefer to remain quiet, allowing them and their students
to continue their work with out all the noise..
Some instructor's do try to perpetuate this image.
Cus D'Amato, did have experience in the ring, although maybe not so successful...was respected for his coaching and understanding of his art.
CMA teachers, most of them have skill sets that are not common, which is why people come to them for training to gain them.
In IMA, the focus is often on principles that are demonstrated and expressed through techniques.
IME, most teachers encourage students to attempt techniques as earnestly and forcefully as they can. They explicitly ask for this level of effort.
However, there's an important caveat: "Do exactly what I asked you to do."
Failing to follow this instruction can sometimes result in injury, either to the student or the teacher.
This practice serves several purposes, one of the most important being the cultivation of "intent." For intention-based skill sets, the intention behind an action is crucial, regardless of the specific movement or technique.
It is the intent that is being worked with, more so than the physical movement itself.
If a student were to take a dive or fake their effort, the teacher would notice, as would knowledgeable observers. They might wonder why the teacher did not address the lack of genuine effort.
That said, some students are easier to work with than others for various reasons, depending on the teacher's level and the student's development.
Exactly sounds like a good time.
Those learning IMA skill sets go through a kind of interesting period.
It's quite consistent.
1. First question the skills they are learning
2. question their own reactions.
3. question the reactions of others reacting to their skill as they gain it..
Spent some time in Taiwan last yr...about a month or so.
One of the people I work with there started talking about fake demos when I should him some clips
of what I felt where good example of what we were working on.
Actually I was a little shocked, considering my work, and what we were working on.
I said ok as he talked...and had him attack ....
He having the same reactions as in the demos
I asked him to stop faking it...
He laugh saying he was not...
The unasked question:
I do test my work with those I don't know and others who practice taiji
yes
The results are very consistent,
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